Nurses, Rail Staff and Now Driving Examiners
Discussion
Gareth1974 said:
Anecdotally I know of people who’ve have double digit pay rises recently (my girlfriend for one), and with private sector average pay rises being at around 7%, there must be some getting inflation matching rises.
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Its not really clear though how much private sector pay growth is due to actual wage rises and how much is due to job switching for higher pay. The ONS just measures average wages it doesn't adjust for composition..
I just had a big pay rise as I moved from one employer to another. Pay rises in the last job were very poor as they didn't offer inflation based pay rises.
JagLover said:
Gareth1974 said:
Anecdotally I know of people who’ve have double digit pay rises recently (my girlfriend for one), and with private sector average pay rises being at around 7%, there must be some getting inflation matching rises.
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Its not really clear though how much private sector pay growth is due to actual wage rises and how much is due to job switching for higher pay. The ONS just measures average wages it doesn't adjust for composition..
I just had a big pay rise as I moved from one employer to another. Pay rises in the last job were very poor as they didn't offer inflation based pay rises.
JagLover said:
Gareth1974 said:
Anecdotally I know of people who’ve have double digit pay rises recently (my girlfriend for one), and with private sector average pay rises being at around 7%, there must be some getting inflation matching rises.
.
Its not really clear though how much private sector pay growth is due to actual wage rises and how much is due to job switching for higher pay. The ONS just measures average wages it doesn't adjust for composition..
I just had a big pay rise as I moved from one employer to another. Pay rises in the last job were very poor as they didn't offer inflation based pay rises.
JagLover said:
I just had a big pay rise as I moved from one employer to another. Pay rises in the last job were very poor as they didn't offer inflation based pay rises.
Depends what sector and where. My son got made redundant. Within 2 months he had a new job. Still 10 minutes from home. Substantial pay raise. £2k signing on bonus. Before he even took the job he was given a £1500 Evans voucher for going to the second stage interview. Also had the choice of 2 jobs. One 100% home one hybrid. He chose the one with 3 days office working.He is in IT in Cambridge. My daughter works in hospitality. In supervisory role. She left her last job when minimum wage staff got a rise and she didn't. Better job, better pay, in a 5 star hotel within 3 weeks. Scotland.
Possibly some employers still relying on inertia to avoid improving staff pay.
A company I used to work for part time. Pays above minimum but no or great for long days without fixed finish time. Talking to a former colleague the staff turnover is huge but presumably they would rather churn staff than pay more.
Not really the option to change jobs and get paid more in nursing. If you stay in the nhs you have to adhere to banding and progression points. Leave and work privately still very similar pay but lose the nhs pension and very good sick pay/ annual leave etc. We rely on pay rises.
Those that are vocal on social media are very much against accepting the offer, those in work are excited by the lump sum and for the offer as not really looking at long term gain.
Those that are vocal on social media are very much against accepting the offer, those in work are excited by the lump sum and for the offer as not really looking at long term gain.
K77 CTR said:
Not really the option to change jobs and get paid more in nursing. If you stay in the nhs you have to adhere to banding and progression points. Leave and work privately still very similar pay but lose the nhs pension and very good sick pay/ annual leave etc. We rely on pay rises.
Those that are vocal on social media are very much against accepting the offer, those in work are excited by the lump sum and for the offer as not really looking at long term gain.
Thats the trouble, offer staff who are feeling hard up a packet of cash, they will take it. Unfortunately most havent looked at the bigger picture and how their working life gets worse as other staff leave. Those that are vocal on social media are very much against accepting the offer, those in work are excited by the lump sum and for the offer as not really looking at long term gain.
In a year or so they will once again be feeling hard up and want to go into dispute again. I suspect the public reaction will be “ oh not again”
By then pat will be off the scene polishing her OBE.
Its the same scenario as 2015.
Hopefully the bma will show more backbone,although currently it seems steve barclay is still playing silly buggers
Disclaimer: not a nurse or medic but lumped in with afc
Edited by sawman on Friday 24th March 07:42
Flooble said:
AFC?
Agenda for Change. All non-medical and director NHS staff are on the Agenda for Change pay scale.NHS Scotland are paid higher thanks to a few years where they have received better pay rises https://www.gov.scot/publications/nhs-staff-pay-of...
London trusts pay up to 20% more for London weighting.
Brainpox said:
Flooble said:
AFC?
Agenda for Change. All non-medical and director NHS staff are on the Agenda for Change pay scale.NHS Scotland are paid higher thanks to a few years where they have received better pay rises https://www.gov.scot/publications/nhs-staff-pay-of...
London trusts pay up to 20% more for London weighting.
Bandings were fudged to fit with existing pay grades, despite being touted as skill / responsibility driven and allowing a greater progression of clinical grades. It never really achieved this.
I can understand why the RCN want to change this - but I would say the whole scheme should be revised for all groups involved - or the way it is implements should be looked at at least.
Edited by sawman on Friday 24th March 15:23
The cheek of yet another education secretary sock puppet. Going for guilt trips & lies.
(FYI teachers have voted to reject their last unfunded offer, more strike days are planned and the govt are digging their heels in and doing the usual - throwing mud)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1193910...
(FYI teachers have voted to reject their last unfunded offer, more strike days are planned and the govt are digging their heels in and doing the usual - throwing mud)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1193910...
CoolHands said:
The cheek of yet another education secretary sock puppet. Going for guilt trips & lies.
(FYI teachers have voted to reject their last unfunded offer, more strike days are planned and the govt are digging their heels in and doing the usual - throwing mud)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1193910...
Yet another Conservative minister lying through their teeth. The unfunded “offer” is a complete joke and they know it otherwise they wouldn’t have felt the need to offer a bribe alongside it.(FYI teachers have voted to reject their last unfunded offer, more strike days are planned and the govt are digging their heels in and doing the usual - throwing mud)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1193910...
The profession is on its knees and by the time someone realises there’s no one left to teach the kids except PE teachers it’ll be too late to do anything about it.
Are the offer terms OK?
For public services, when we're running a huge deficit, why does the "funded" part come into the decision for individual teachers? Isn't that bit the govt's problem?
(Could they renege next year? Possibly. Any govt could. This lot might not even be in power...that's one of the risks of working in the public sector).
For public services, when we're running a huge deficit, why does the "funded" part come into the decision for individual teachers? Isn't that bit the govt's problem?
(Could they renege next year? Possibly. Any govt could. This lot might not even be in power...that's one of the risks of working in the public sector).
Murph7355 said:
Are the offer terms OK?
For public services, when we're running a huge deficit, why does the "funded" part come into the decision for individual teachers? Isn't that bit the govt's problem?
Not really, it becomes the head teachers problem because they have to chop 4% out of the budget somewhere else. And given everything that can be chopped has pretty much already been chopped, that means staff redundancies or more likely, staff leaving not being replaced. For public services, when we're running a huge deficit, why does the "funded" part come into the decision for individual teachers? Isn't that bit the govt's problem?
Which is fun given the state of schools at the moment.
Vasco said:
sawman said:
I'd be surprised if this offer is accepted by the members
It isn't really significant enough to improve the retention issue, unless there is something spectacular in the proposed nurses pay spine. Of course if there is, the non nursing agenda for change staff may feel they want a slice of that pie.....
You're going to be surprised.It isn't really significant enough to improve the retention issue, unless there is something spectacular in the proposed nurses pay spine. Of course if there is, the non nursing agenda for change staff may feel they want a slice of that pie.....
It's really frustrating how incompetent and/or lazy the union leaders are.
Pat Cullen was Billy big b
ks a couple of days ago concerning the court action.
They've now lost and she now looks like a right muppet.
It's not hard to work out when 6 months end and either re ballot or more simply just not scheduling in strike action when it's illegal.
Similarly this is the letter Mick Whelan sent out this morning. A letter which should have been red-penned atleast a couple of times.
There's just no hope for Brian's Railway.
Pat Cullen was Billy big b
ks a couple of days ago concerning the court action.They've now lost and she now looks like a right muppet.
It's not hard to work out when 6 months end and either re ballot or more simply just not scheduling in strike action when it's illegal.
Similarly this is the letter Mick Whelan sent out this morning. A letter which should have been red-penned atleast a couple of times.
There's just no hope for Brian's Railway.
ChocolateFrog said:
It's really frustrating how incompetent and/or lazy the union leaders are.
Pat Cullen was Billy big bks a couple of days ago concerning the court action.
They've now lost and she now looks like a right muppet.
It's not hard to work out when 6 months end and either re ballot or more simply just not scheduling in strike action when it's illegal.
Similarly this is the letter Mick Whelan sent out this morning. A letter which should have been red-penned atleast a couple of times.
There's just no hope for Brian's Railway.
The RCN have really made an arse of this and actually weakened their position in terms of negotiation and support. For them to insist on going ahead with it despite NHS Employers demonstrating clearly it is unlawful and allowing DH to take them to court is pretty amateur behaviour. Yet still that Cullen women is jumping up and down on her soapbox. This is all going in the direction of nursing roles being removed from AfC but that could prove worse than accepting the offer. Sometimes keeping fighting on is not always the best action.Pat Cullen was Billy big b
ks a couple of days ago concerning the court action.They've now lost and she now looks like a right muppet.
It's not hard to work out when 6 months end and either re ballot or more simply just not scheduling in strike action when it's illegal.
Similarly this is the letter Mick Whelan sent out this morning. A letter which should have been red-penned atleast a couple of times.
There's just no hope for Brian's Railway.
I wholeheartedly support their challenge for better pay but that should not be laser focused as the RCN have it and realise the bigger picture. In all likelihood there will not be a Tory SoS after the next election so lets not p
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