Nurses, Rail Staff and Now Driving Examiners

[egor110]

Johnnytheboy said:

egor110 said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Striking really is just a public sector thing nowadays, isn't it?

Royal mail were privatised , dustbin workers , bus drivers all privatised.

OK so it's a non-competitive job environment thing then, if you want to split hairs.

Surely the best teachers get the best teaching jobs in the best schools .

Nhs staff could go and work anywhere in the world but i guess some of them don't want to jump ship and leave this country in the st , they just want a bit more money and a few less hours .

[Vasco]

egor110 said:

Johnnytheboy said:

egor110 said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Striking really is just a public sector thing nowadays, isn't it?

Royal mail were privatised , dustbin workers , bus drivers all privatised.

OK so it's a non-competitive job environment thing then, if you want to split hairs.

Surely the best teachers get the best teaching jobs in the best schools .

Nhs staff could go and work anywhere in the world but i guess some of them don't want to jump ship and leave this country in the st , they just want a bit more money and a few less hours .

I'm not particularly disagreeing but if the best teachers get the best jobs in the best schools, why doesn't it follow that the best NHS staff can move to the many other medical providers, private hospitals etc ?

[Gecko1978]

Vasco said:

egor110 said:

Johnnytheboy said:

egor110 said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Striking really is just a public sector thing nowadays, isn't it?

Royal mail were privatised , dustbin workers , bus drivers all privatised.

OK so it's a non-competitive job environment thing then, if you want to split hairs.

Surely the best teachers get the best teaching jobs in the best schools .

Nhs staff could go and work anywhere in the world but i guess some of them don't want to jump ship and leave this country in the st , they just want a bit more money and a few less hours .

I'm not particularly disagreeing but if the best teachers get the best jobs in the best schools, why doesn't it follow that the best NHS staff can move to the many other medical providers, private hospitals etc ?

If I work in a bank in the city and don't like it there are literally 100s within 1 mile of the one I work at. If I work in a bad school the best school might not be in the town county or evern region. So their are barriers to moving which don't always exist in the private sector.

[Vasco]

Gecko1978 said:

Vasco said:

egor110 said:

Johnnytheboy said:

egor110 said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Striking really is just a public sector thing nowadays, isn't it?

Royal mail were privatised , dustbin workers , bus drivers all privatised.

OK so it's a non-competitive job environment thing then, if you want to split hairs.

Surely the best teachers get the best teaching jobs in the best schools .

Nhs staff could go and work anywhere in the world but i guess some of them don't want to jump ship and leave this country in the st , they just want a bit more money and a few less hours .

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I'm not particularly disagreeing but if the best teachers get the best jobs in the best schools, why doesn't it follow that the best NHS staff can move to the many other medical providers, private hospitals etc ?

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If I work in a bank in the city and don't like it there are literally 100s within 1 mile of the one I work at. If I work in a bad school the best school might not be in the town county or evern region. So their are barriers to moving which don't always exist in the private sector.

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Does that really follow ?

If I'm a nurse in, say, a Northampton NHS hospital, can't I look at other, private, hospitals, health centres, medical specialists etc etc across Northants (or further) ?

I'm not really disagreeing with anybody - and would like NHS staff well rewarded - but want to better understand their true situation.

[Flooble]

Gecko1978 said:

If I work in a bank in the city and don't like it there are literally 100s within 1 mile of the one I work at. If I work in a bad school the best school might not be in the town county or evern region. So their are barriers to moving which don't always exist in the private sector.

That is a bit of a niche private sector example I think. The square mile and financial services being almost unique in their geographical concentration.

Pick the average city in the UK and there will be several secondary schools and a multiple of primary schools. But if you are a widget-cutting machinist there may be only one factory making widgets.

So it goes both ways really.

[poo at Paul's]

At my lads school, this week, the school was shut for all but year 11 (gcse) students and ‘key workers kids’, but nit normal lessons just supervision.

The art teacher was striking, and her son goes to the school in year 9..
she only brought him in to flipping school, to be looked after by her colleagues!

It didn’t go down too well!

[FiF]

Vasco said:

Gecko1978 said:

Vasco said:

egor110 said:

Johnnytheboy said:

egor110 said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Striking really is just a public sector thing nowadays, isn't it?

Royal mail were privatised , dustbin workers , bus drivers all privatised.

OK so it's a non-competitive job environment thing then, if you want to split hairs.

Surely the best teachers get the best teaching jobs in the best schools .

Nhs staff could go and work anywhere in the world but i guess some of them don't want to jump ship and leave this country in the st , they just want a bit more money and a few less hours .

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I'm not particularly disagreeing but if the best teachers get the best jobs in the best schools, why doesn't it follow that the best NHS staff can move to the many other medical providers, private hospitals etc ?

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If I work in a bank in the city and don't like it there are literally 100s within 1 mile of the one I work at. If I work in a bad school the best school might not be in the town county or evern region. So their are barriers to moving which don't always exist in the private sector.

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Does that really follow ?

If I'm a nurse in, say, a Northampton NHS hospital, can't I look at other, private, hospitals, health centres, medical specialists etc etc across Northants (or further) ?

I'm not really disagreeing with anybody - and would like NHS staff well rewarded - but want to better understand their true situation.

Not really as simple as that, a significant proportion of nursing and paramedic students at our university med school are career changers / returning to work after family is of an age etc. When you have family commitments like that, possibly with a partner also with particular employment in place, then options to look further afield start to narrow down.

[Downward]

Fireman are not striking,
12% payrise for them.

Nurses are calling off the strike for now as the government are willing to negotiate….

Don’t imagine anything like 12% will be offered.

2% I reckon.

[CoolHands]

The deal includes a 7% pay rise backdated to last July, with a further 5% from July this year. You cant just say 12%.

It’s 7% from last July to this July. Then 5% from then on. They had originally been offered just 2% so shows why unions need to fight.

British Medical Association (BMA) consultants look like they might strike next.

[Gecko1978]

Looks like striking works 12% is a good bump I can't see train drivers, civil servants, nurses etc going oh OK yeah 2% thanks for that

[irc]

Gecko1978 said:

Looks like striking works 12% is a good bump I can't see train drivers, civil servants, nurses etc going oh OK yeah 2% thanks for that

It isn't 12%. It is 7%.

Which looks about the going rate. Teachers in Scotland offered 7% this year and another 7% next year.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/03/sc...

Edited by irc on Monday 6th March 19:13

Edited by irc on Monday 6th March 20:06

[CoolHands]

irc said:

It isn't 12%. It is 7%.

exactly. Anyone quoting this as 12% is wilfully misrepresenting the actuality.

[Brainpox]

Vasco said:

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Does that really follow ?

If I'm a nurse in, say, a Northampton NHS hospital, can't I look at other, private, hospitals, health centres, medical specialists etc etc across Northants (or further) ?

I'm not really disagreeing with anybody - and would like NHS staff well rewarded - but want to better understand their true situation.

Broadly speaking, private rates are dictated by NHS rates. The private sector can pay less and offer better conditions, or pay the same but offer worse sick pay/pension/annual leave/maternity etc.

On the flip side there is greater accountability in private care and you will get the sack if you're off sick too much etc. In the NHS you really have to fk up to be out of a job.

[Downward]

CoolHands said:

irc said:

It isn't 12%. It is 7%.

exactly. Anyone quoting this as 12% is wilfully misrepresenting the actuality.

Blame the media it was on Channel 5 news.
I only heard that 12% part.

[JagLover]

CoolHands said:

The deal includes a 7% pay rise backdated to last July, with a further 5% from July this year. You cant just say 12%.

It’s 7% from last July to this July. Then 5% from then on.

This is also a different time frame from many of the other striking public sector workers. The Nurses are striking over a pay increase applying from April last year onwards.

[Gecko1978]

7% 12% etx what it's not is 2% so I don't see others accepting less now

[JagLover]

looks like at least part of the NHS disputes might be nearing an end.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64977269

The government appears to be succeeding in its aim of pushing larger pay increases into 2023/24, with an additional cash bonus offered for 2022/23.

[Brainpox]

I don't really know why I bother with a union. £25 a month and they appear to be accepting a 5% rise. RCN wanted 19% in January but were willing to settle at 10%. Now it's 5% which is only 1.5% more than was being offered originally. Multiple days of strike action for 1.5% is an awful result. CPI was 12% last month so yet another 7% real terms pay cut after the same last year. Might as well keep the £300 a year as it's worth more.

[pquinn]

Brainpox said:

I don't really know why I bother with a union. £25 a month and they appear to be accepting a 5% rise. RCN wanted 19% in January but were willing to settle at 10%. Now it's 5% which is only 1.5% more than was being offered originally. Multiple days of strike action for 1.5% is an awful result. CPI was 12% last month so yet another 7% real terms pay cut after the same last year. Might as well keep the £300 a year as it's worth more.

Unless it was just union members getting a pay rise being a member for just that reason would be a pretty poor investment as you'd get the rise anyway.

And £300 a year isn't a great anyway unless there's some professional need/benefit to it.

[Sheepshanks]

Brainpox said:

I don't really know why I bother with a union. £25 a month and they appear to be accepting a 5% rise. RCN wanted 19% in January but were willing to settle at 10%. Now it's 5% which is only 1.5% more than was being offered originally. Multiple days of strike action for 1.5% is an awful result. CPI was 12% last month so yet another 7% real terms pay cut after the same last year. Might as well keep the £300 a year as it's worth more.

Interesting listening to analysis of The Budget they're talking about how many people are going to be dragged into paying tax, or paying tax at higher rates, based on the assumption that everyone's pay is going up 10%.