Nurses, Rail Staff and Now Driving Examiners

[pavarotti1980]

Vasco said:

Possibly. Starmer could do with a charisma injection but will probably achieve a majority - not as much as some seem to think.

He needs more than charisma but then Boris had charisma and that didn't mean too much. We need a quietly efficient prime minister instead of seeking out idiots with soundbites who are feckless

[Vasco]

Latest NHS pay offer turned down by Unite - just 55% voting.

[BoRED S2upid]

Vasco said:

Latest NHS pay offer turned down by Unite - just 55% voting.

And almost half of those that did bother to vote accepted it.

[86]

GMB votes to accept offer.

[LastPoster]

BoRED S2upid said:

I hope so! Poor kids.

I spoke to a friend who’s a teacher the other day. How can you afford all these days on strike without pay? Tbh I see it as £50 for an extra days leave I’m happy to pay it.

A friend of mine is having to take unpaid leave from work to look after his children. He has used a few days holiday up already but at this rate will not be able to take time for actual holidays if he takes any more. His wife cannot take time off as she works in a school and her contract forbids it (not as a teacher obviously).

You can imagine his thoughts on the situation!

[pavarotti1980]

86 said:

GMB votes to accept offer.

That should be enough for NHS Staff Council to ratify it regardless of Unite and RCN rejections

[Vasco]

pavarotti1980 said:

86 said:

GMB votes to accept offer.

That should be enough for NHS Staff Council to ratify it regardless of Unite and RCN rejections

Hopefully, particularly with poor 55% turnout

[Ashfordian]

pavarotti1980 said:

86 said:

GMB votes to accept offer.

That should be enough for NHS Staff Council to ratify it regardless of Unite and RCN rejections

Why? They have time on their side. If the government allows this to continue to October/November the tide will turn very fast against the government on this. And the government don't have that much support already.

A sensible offer needs to me made by the government very soon as it will only cost us taxpayers more if they start having to go with panic offers at the end of Autumn.

[pavarotti1980]

Vasco said:

Hopefully, particularly with poor 55% turnout

Yeah. However RCN and Unite balloting again for strike action. They just look more incompetent and unnecessarily militant by doing so especially as you say given Unite's 55% turnout and narrow 52%/48% vote in favour of rejection

Ashfordian said:

Why? They have time on their side. If the government allows this to continue to October/November the tide will turn very fast against the government on this. And the government don't have that much support already.

A sensible offer needs to me made by the government very soon as it will only cost us taxpayers more if they start having to go with panic offers at the end of Autumn.

NHS Staff Council are meeting on Tuesday and will likely accept and ratify pay deal regardless of Unite/RCN rejection. They operate on an electoral college system in which unions’ voting strength is proportionate to the size of their membership. Union insiders say that system, allied to the unions’ decisions so far, mean it is likely the council will vote to accept the deal.

For clarity I am not a member of any of the health unions but would like it all concluded as soon as possible

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 28th April 17:00

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 28th April 17:01

[BoRED S2upid]

LastPoster said:

BoRED S2upid said:

I hope so! Poor kids.

I spoke to a friend who’s a teacher the other day. How can you afford all these days on strike without pay? Tbh I see it as £50 for an extra days leave I’m happy to pay it.

A friend of mine is having to take unpaid leave from work to look after his children. He has used a few days holiday up already but at this rate will not be able to take time for actual holidays if he takes any more. His wife cannot take time off as she works in a school and her contract forbids it (not as a teacher obviously).

You can imagine his thoughts on the situation!

Likewise. Add up all the school holidays, inset days, strike days, bank holidays no working parent can work and cover all these days off!

I was working remotely from the park yesterday my wife took them into work with her in the morning.

[Vasco]

Ashfordian said:

pavarotti1980 said:

86 said:

GMB votes to accept offer.

That should be enough for NHS Staff Council to ratify it regardless of Unite and RCN rejections

Why? They have time on their side. If the government allows this to continue to October/November the tide will turn very fast against the government on this. And the government don't have that much support already.

A sensible offer needs to me made by the government very soon as it will only cost us taxpayers more if they start having to go with panic offers at the end of Autumn.

No, tide isn't going to turn now. They're out of line and losing public support.

[BoRED S2upid]

Ashfordian said:

pavarotti1980 said:

86 said:

GMB votes to accept offer.

That should be enough for NHS Staff Council to ratify it regardless of Unite and RCN rejections

Why? They have time on their side. If the government allows this to continue to October/November the tide will turn very fast against the government on this. And the government don't have that much support already.

A sensible offer needs to me made by the government very soon as it will only cost us taxpayers more if they start having to go with panic offers at the end of Autumn.

A sensible offer has been made. Read the news GMB accepted it half of the other union members have accepted it or 48%.

They need to pay it into the bank accounts and see how they vote next time once the cash is there.

[pavarotti1980]

BoRED S2upid said:

A sensible offer has been made. Read the news GMB accepted it half of the other union members have accepted it or 48%.

They need to pay it into the bank accounts and see how they vote next time once the cash is there.

I also have a new clutch that needs paying for so welcome time for the "bonus"

[MiniMan64]

LastPoster said:

BoRED S2upid said:

I hope so! Poor kids.

I spoke to a friend who’s a teacher the other day. How can you afford all these days on strike without pay? Tbh I see it as £50 for an extra days leave I’m happy to pay it.

A friend of mine is having to take unpaid leave from work to look after his children. He has used a few days holiday up already but at this rate will not be able to take time for actual holidays if he takes any more. His wife cannot take time off as she works in a school and her contract forbids it (not as a teacher obviously).

You can imagine his thoughts on the situation!

I wonder what his thoughts will be in a few years when schools can’t offer A level teaching in Maths and Sciences and the rest of the school are being taught all subjects by PE teachers or in groups of 100 in the hall….

Direct your anger at this useless government instead of those on strike.

[Vasco]

MiniMan64 said:

LastPoster said:

BoRED S2upid said:

I hope so! Poor kids.

I spoke to a friend who’s a teacher the other day. How can you afford all these days on strike without pay? Tbh I see it as £50 for an extra days leave I’m happy to pay it.

A friend of mine is having to take unpaid leave from work to look after his children. He has used a few days holiday up already but at this rate will not be able to take time for actual holidays if he takes any more. His wife cannot take time off as she works in a school and her contract forbids it (not as a teacher obviously).

You can imagine his thoughts on the situation!

I wonder what his thoughts will be in a few years when schools can’t offer A level teaching in Maths and Sciences and the rest of the school are being taught all subjects by PE teachers or in groups of 100 in the hall….

Direct your anger at this useless government instead of those on strike.

I doubt that making such ridiculous OTT comments will do much to help the cause.

[BoRED S2upid]

MiniMan64 said:

LastPoster said:

BoRED S2upid said:

I hope so! Poor kids.

I spoke to a friend who’s a teacher the other day. How can you afford all these days on strike without pay? Tbh I see it as £50 for an extra days leave I’m happy to pay it.

A friend of mine is having to take unpaid leave from work to look after his children. He has used a few days holiday up already but at this rate will not be able to take time for actual holidays if he takes any more. His wife cannot take time off as she works in a school and her contract forbids it (not as a teacher obviously).

You can imagine his thoughts on the situation!

I wonder what his thoughts will be in a few years when schools can’t offer A level teaching in Maths and Sciences and the rest of the school are being taught all subjects by PE teachers or in groups of 100 in the hall….

Direct your anger at this useless government instead of those on strike.

Why will PE teachers still be teaching?

What a very strange comment.

There are no shortage of teachers going through Uni. Verts sbd medics on the other hand.

[poo at Paul's]

My daughter's school has been hit a lot more by this recently, and it's definitely affecting them now in the run up to GCSEs. As this is the first year that students sitting exams will get no help (in England at least) and with them being affected as much or more than any other year by Covid restrictions on teaching, I think it is a bit rich now. Of course, it falls on the parents to try to support and assist, but with 11 GCSES and 29 papers to sit, we're not best pleased by it all and managed to say so on a school feedback form sent out before easter.
I am sure the Head is doing his best, but hope he will let the teachers fking the job up for all our kids know that its not appreciated one iota.
I donated minibus (£12k) the the school 2 years ago, and also repainted another they were given by a sister school all for free, as they had one nicked by rival school kids in the holidays when it was not insured. So we have been big supporters of the school for years, but once she leaves in a month or so, I'll not be staying in touch! Probably keep the spare key i have for it too!

[Ashfordian]

poo at Paul's said:

My daughter's school has been hit a lot more by this recently, and it's definitely affecting them now in the run up to GCSEs. As this is the first year that students sitting exams will get no help (in England at least) and with them being affected as much or more than any other year by Covid restrictions on teaching, I think it is a bit rich now. Of course, it falls on the parents to try to support and assist, but with 11 GCSES and 29 papers to sit, we're not best pleased by it all and managed to say so on a school feedback form sent out before easter.

You supported the Covid restrictions. Your daughter should not be in this situation but you encouraged and supported the actions that have harmed her and her fellow students.

You really do take the piss

[Hants PHer]

MiniMan64 said:

I wonder what his thoughts will be in a few years when schools can’t offer A level teaching in Maths and Sciences and the rest of the school are being taught all subjects by PE teachers or in groups of 100 in the hall….

Direct your anger at this useless government instead of those on strike.

There's no need to worry. A Labour government will win power next year, and all will be well. They will give sizeable pay rises to all who ask, which will quickly fix the staffing issues in the NHS, schools, social care and everywhere else. The best thing is, it will cost most folk nothing, because abolishing non-dom status and increasing tax on oil companies from 75% to 78% will pay for the whole lot. Yep. That'll definitely work.

After all, those parts of the UK that don't have a useless Tory government, such as, say, Wales and Scotland have a fabulous education system/NHS that's the envy of the world, and England.

[Captain Raymond Holt]

pavarotti1980 said:

Ashfordian said:

Why? They have time on their side. If the government allows this to continue to October/November the tide will turn very fast against the government on this. And the government don't have that much support already.

A sensible offer needs to me made by the government very soon as it will only cost us taxpayers more if they start having to go with panic offers at the end of Autumn.

NHS Staff Council are meeting on Tuesday and will likely accept and ratify pay deal regardless of Unite/RCN rejection. They operate on an electoral college system in which unions’ voting strength is proportionate to the size of their membership. Union insiders say that system, allied to the unions’ decisions so far, mean it is likely the council will vote to accept the deal.

For clarity I am not a member of any of the health unions but would like it all concluded as soon as possible

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 28th April 17:00

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 28th April 17:01

Agree.

Not sure if Ashfordian gets the way the system is set up wrt nurses.