Cost of living squeeze in 2022, 23 & 24 (Vol. 2)

[KAgantua]

skwdenyer said:

Dracoro said:

Bullett said:

KAgantua said:

Bullett said:

We have an Ipace. It's got a 90kWh battery we probably fully charge it once a week, about 80kWh @ 32p call it £26 a week. Officially 240 mile range but in reality closer to 220 pottering and 180-200 if you are doing high motorway speeds. 13ppm, still cheaper than running my Mini at around 21ppm.

That really cold month our combined bill hit just over £700. 5 bed detached 1970's house, 2 kids and I mostly work from home so some daytime heating. We have brand new double glazing and insulated walls. Heating has been on for just over an hour today (6am to about 9.30) and the temp is currently 16.8c at the thermostat.

Must really be spanking it to hit 900 but two electric cars will drive a lot of that. Or a swimming pool or hot tub.

Stupid question but how much does it cost to charge a car like that up fully?

I mention it in the post, we are on 32p standard rate and the battery holds 90kWh. So £24 to £28 nearly empty to full.

So, for example, a petrol car doing 45mpg requires 4.8 gallons to cover same 220 miles. 4.8 gallons cost about £33.

So electric is barely cheaper than a petrol car. Presumably if you charge up at public charging stations, it's more expensive than petrol?

At 32p / unit, yes. Move on to something like Octopus Go, however, and that rate drops - I got quoted 12p the other day for a rural property on Go.

Thanks for clarifying - I thought that was the cost but wanted to check I wasnt missing something... not far off a Petrol car ATM... I am thining of hanving an EV charger installed later this year

[ben5575]

That's £10.50 for a full charge on Octopus go @ 12p/KW

My wife's little Smart EV is £2 a full charge, but everyday so £60 max per month. In reality it's only 2/3 charge everyday so c.£40/50. That's 12k miles pa

[skwdenyer]

Earthdweller said:

skwdenyer said:

Depends upon your usage. In our house, the big electricity-consumers are washing (run overnight), drying (ditto), dishwashing (ditto), etc. Lighting is nothing, cooking tends to be very low, things like fridges / freezers are bought on efficiency (and, in the case of the freezer, kept in a cold room). So we're left with TVs, consoles, computers, and so on.

But every family / property is different. I was just demonstrating that it is possible (and, especially if you charge an EV a lot, potentially very beneficial) to switch to a different tariff.

I do wonder though how cost efficient all these “eco” tariffs or other energy saving schemes really are

12p to charge my car ? Well after £1000 to
Buy a fast charger and have someone install it

Solar panels ? Amazingly Cheap hot water … only cost me £8k to get it

Heat pump ? Amazingly cheap heat … only cost me £40k and completely re-plumbed my house to get it

It often seems nothing but smoke and mirrors

If you'd added £8k to your mortgage at 1.1% to get solar water heating to replace electricity, and then watched the energy prices go up, I think you'd be very happy with the choice you'd made If your capital is cheap, lots of running-cost-saving things present themselves. Has always been the way - look up the Sam Vine's shoes story

[kiethton]

and on cue they put up council tax by 15%, an extra £500pm plus the mayors bit

What the actual fk - any way this "special permission" obtained by the government can be appealed considering no residents were consulted

[snuffy]

kiethton said:

and on cue they put up council tax by 15%, an extra £500pm plus the mayors bit

What the actual fk - any way this "special permission" obtained by the government can be appealed considering no residents were consulted

15% is an extra £500 a month? (I'll assume 10 months since that's how its normally quoted).

So your coucil tax last year was £39,000 a year?

[kiethton]

snuffy said:

kiethton said:

and on cue they put up council tax by 15%, an extra £500pm plus the mayors bit

What the actual fk - any way this "special permission" obtained by the government can be appealed considering no residents were consulted

15% is an extra £500 a month? (I'll assume 10 months since that's how its normally quoted).

So your coucil tax last year was £39,000 a year?

Apologies, per annum

[Rufus Stone]

Tropicana grapefruit juice now £3.50, was £2.75 last week.

[Louis Balfour]

Rufus Stone said:

Tropicana grapefruit juice now £3.50, was £2.75 last week.

Don't end it all yet, Rufus. Sainsburys has it at £2.25.

[Rufus Stone]

Louis Balfour said:

Don't end it all yet, Rufus. Sainsburys has it at £2.25.

Now you tell me, I went to Asda.

[Louis Balfour]

Rufus Stone said:

Louis Balfour said:

Don't end it all yet, Rufus. Sainsburys has it at £2.25.

Now you tell me, I went to Asda.

Look, Rufus, feel free to message me at any time to price check a trivial grocery item.

[princeperch]

A lot has been said about public sector pay, so here is one to consider.

It hasn't been announced officially yet however my department made a pay business case for pay flexibility (which was in part funded by efficiencies and part by increasing our "charge out" rate to other public sector departments, but it was internally announced that the highest paid (at grade 7 and 6 so earning at the moment between 50-70k) will be getting a 19pc pay rise over 2 years.

It's pretty disgusting though that the lowest paid in the department (at AO and EO grades warning between 20-30k) are excluded from that deal and will only get the standard pay rise of 3pc.

I'm obviously pleased but it's absolutely disgusting the lowest paid have been thrown under the bus.

[rustyuk]

skwdenyer said:

Earthdweller said:

skwdenyer said:

Depends upon your usage. In our house, the big electricity-consumers are washing (run overnight), drying (ditto), dishwashing (ditto), etc. Lighting is nothing, cooking tends to be very low, things like fridges / freezers are bought on efficiency (and, in the case of the freezer, kept in a cold room). So we're left with TVs, consoles, computers, and so on.

But every family / property is different. I was just demonstrating that it is possible (and, especially if you charge an EV a lot, potentially very beneficial) to switch to a different tariff.

I do wonder though how cost efficient all these “eco” tariffs or other energy saving schemes really are

12p to charge my car ? Well after £1000 to
Buy a fast charger and have someone install it

Solar panels ? Amazingly Cheap hot water … only cost me £8k to get it

Heat pump ? Amazingly cheap heat … only cost me £40k and completely re-plumbed my house to get it

It often seems nothing but smoke and mirrors

If you'd added £8k to your mortgage at 1.1% to get solar water heating to replace electricity, and then watched the energy prices go up, I think you'd be very happy with the choice you'd made If your capital is cheap, lots of running-cost-saving things present themselves. Has always been the way - look up the Sam Vine's shoes story

Not if your 1.1% mortgage is soon to be 5% as you have just spent £27k

99.9% of residential solar installs do not make financial sense, especially if you have a gas boiler.

If they did I would have panels installed on my roof as my previous employer (a big energy company) had a great staff deal. Part of my job was to deliver solar data to their mobile app for residential customers so I've seen lots of figures.

Stick your 15k install money into a high interest account and in 10 years you will have £22k. Or you could pay for solar panels and you might have just broken even in 10 years. Right before the panels fail or you move house....

[Chicken Chaser]

Another observation of a farm shop cafe selling sandwiches at £8-9 was absolutely rammed today and this is in the North East of England. Still not seeing much of this COLC in evidence and a few of us were talking about different social settings this week being as usually busy as ever.

[Murph7355]

Chicken Chaser said:

Another observation of a farm shop cafe selling sandwiches at £8-9 was absolutely rammed today and this is in the North East of England. Still not seeing much of this COLC in evidence and a few of us were talking about different social settings this week being as usually busy as ever.

What sort of sandwiches and how big? Served with what?

[Mobile Chicane]

Chicken Chaser said:

Another observation of a farm shop cafe selling sandwiches at £8-9 was absolutely rammed today and this is in the North East of England. Still not seeing much of this COLC in evidence and a few of us were talking about different social settings this week being as usually busy as ever.

Locally (Surrey Hills) I'm seeing the village shop rammed for pasties and coffee; the next door gastro-pub not so much.

However I maintain that we have a 'special' type of customer locally.

Around here, it's inherited wealth which people are obsessed with preserving for generations to come. Every pound's a prisoner.

Elsewhere in the SE - Thames Valley etc - you have the 'technocrati'. People self made in Tech, confident in their abilities to make more, hence they spend it.

[Thankyou4calling]

There’s certainly a lot of “Old money” around Dorking and on the A25 corridor past the Silent Pool.

All those villages are steeped in wealth and it’s not showy.

[Chicken Chaser]

Murph7355 said:

What sort of sandwiches and how big? Served with what?

A not so fancy bun (or bread roll or bap depending on your location) offering the usual ham and cheese, tuna and onion, pesto mozzarella, few leaves and dressing and half a bag of kettle crisps. 40p extra for a toasted option.

[Catastrophic Poo]

Thankyou4calling said:

There’s certainly a lot of “Old money” around Dorking and on the A25 corridor past the Silent Pool.

All those villages are steeped in wealth and it’s not showy.

Sounds like there’s lots of old Volvos and whispering….

[RayDonovan]

I supply Supermarkets and we're having very difficult conversations around pricing at the moment.

Very easy to see where price gouging is taking place sadly..

[Louis Balfour]

RayDonovan said:

I supply Supermarkets and we're having very difficult conversations around pricing at the moment.

Very easy to see where price gouging is taking place sadly..

Can you expand on this?