Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[Mortarboard]

HM-2 said:

Vanden Saab said:

What exactly does 'niche viewpoint mean?

I don't know where you've got the idea anyone was talking about this. The read I got from Mortarboard's comment and its context is that he's suggesting support for Brexit is becoming a niche view.

Vanden Saab said:

Good to see you are now once again adding don't knows to your side

Eh?

I'm not adding "don't knows" to any side, nor have I ever done so. I have absolutely no idea where you possibly could have got this from. Reading comprehension continues to pose you challenges, it would seem.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 26th March 10:59

Sort of.
The specific point I was making was that "laughing at people protesting to join" was a niche view.

Repeated polls show that clearly a majority in the UK think it's a bit st.

In fact, I'd nearly go so far to say that having seen how it was "delivered", if the referendum was re-run, the result wouldn't be anywhere near close.

But it is what it is.

M.

[sugerbear]

thanks to Vandeen Saab for pointing us all in the direction of where brexit is now heading.

Just look at how the polls have changed since 2020 and there is now a clear pro EU majority in the UK. Data points to it very clearly in the polling (the table tab) https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-u...

48vs33
47vs39
45vs40
and so on..

[blueg33]

Headline today

Brexit damage as big as Covid, says OBR – predicting five years before incomes recover

[Mrr T]

sugerbear said:

thanks to Vandeen Saab for pointing us all in the direction of where brexit is now heading.

Just look at how the polls have changed since 2020 and there is now a clear pro EU majority in the UK. Data points to it very clearly in the polling (the table tab) https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-u...

48vs33
47vs39
45vs40
and so on..

As I pointed out above the survey allows a don't know option. In any referendum that option would not be available. For that reason you could argue a referendum to rejoin might achieve a 59% yes majority. It would be worth it just to see Nige explode.

[crankedup5]

HM-2 said:

crankedup5 said:

All this was resolved 2019, you are trying to make an argument that was settled years ago.

You keep asserting this, but are extremely reticent to actually explain why or how. Or indeed provide any justification for the fldim.i was addressing. But it's fine, I'll just chalk it up as you being unable.

If you are expecting me to re-run the entirety of the brexit debacle 2016-2019 then you are being completely irrational. It’s no longer an argument, the issue was settled years ago, maybe it passed you by. Just don’t expect me to waste my time bringing you up to speed. Try Google.

[Mortarboard]

crankedup5 said:

If you are expecting me to re-run the entirety of the brexit debacle 2016-2019 then you are being completely irrational. It’s no longer an argument, the issue was settled years ago, maybe it passed you by. Just don’t expect me to waste my time bringing you up to speed. Try Google.

Will of the people old boy
As long as your sovereignty is maintained, and your right to export your obligations under the unhcr, we're good, right?

M.

[HM-2]

crankedup5 said:

If you are expecting me to re-run the entirety of the brexit debacle

I'm not. I'm expecting you to provide an answer to a relatively simple question that I've posed at least three times, which has nothing to do with, as you put it, "the Brexit debacle 2016-2019".

crankedup5 said:

Iust don’t expect me to waste my time bringing you up to speed

I assume I should also not expect you to waste your time actually reading anyone else's posts? Because you clearly don't. The analogy used elsewhere in the thread is very apt; it really is like watching a pigeon play chess.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 26th March 22:25

[crankedup5]

HM-2 said:

crankedup5 said:

If you are expecting me to re-run the entirety of the brexit debacle

I'm not. I'm expecting you to provide an answer to a relatively simple question that I've posed at least three times, which has nothing to do with, as you put it, "the Brexit debacle 2016-2019".

crankedup5 said:

Iust don’t expect me to waste my time bringing you up to speed

I assume I should also not expect you to waste your time actually reading anyone else's posts? Because you clearly don't. The analogy used elsewhere in the thread is very apt; it really is like watching a pigeon play chess.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 26th March 22:25

Says the poster who doesn’t understand how politics works. All the evidence that you keep asking for is widely available to you, you simply choose not to avail yourself to it or continue to ignore it.

[HM-2]

crankedup5 said:

Says the poster who doesn’t understand how politics works.

And I suppose you think you do? This thread would suggest otherwise.

crankedup5 said:

All the evidence that you keep asking for is widely available to you

So widely available that you are apparently unable to point to it.

[Mortarboard]

Finer details coming out fir the implementation of the WF:
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1640677873...

Looks like a lot if orep work still do to, looks like 30th September penciled in fir the start of it being activated.

M.

[crankedup5]

HM-2 said:

crankedup5 said:

Says the poster who doesn’t understand how politics works.

And I suppose you think you do? This thread would suggest otherwise.

crankedup5 said:

All the evidence that you keep asking for is widely available to you

So widely available that you are apparently unable to point to it.

My politics works for me just perfectly.
It’s not the case of being ‘unable to point to it’ more a case of my choice not to bother whilst considering the audience likely to view.

[HM-2]

crankedup5 said:

My politics works for me just perfectly.

As long as you're alright, eh?

crankedup5 said:

It’s not the case of being ‘unable to point to it’

I think it is. In fact, I don't even think you know what you're talking about "evidence" supporting, such is enormous disconnect between what I've said and what you seem to think I've said.

[don'tbesilly]

@ Cranked

https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-secures-ag...

[Mortarboard]

Hormone laden beef fir the UK. Yay!

M.

[Bannock]

don'tbesilly said:

@ Cranked

https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-secures-ag...

This is an infringement of our National Sovereignty. We must have a referendum to Leave in order to take back control and restore that pure National Sovereignty. Nobody ever voted for this, we are being dragged in against our will. OUT OUT OUT!!!!!!

[Vanden Saab]

Bannock said:

This is an infringement of our National Sovereignty. We must have a referendum to Leave in order to take back control and restore that pure National Sovereignty. Nobody ever voted for this, we are being dragged in against our will. OUT OUT OUT!!!!!!

How sad...it is a trade deal, you know the thing some regulars here said would never happen...

[Bannock]

Vanden Saab said:

Bannock said:

This is an infringement of our National Sovereignty. We must have a referendum to Leave in order to take back control and restore that pure National Sovereignty. Nobody ever voted for this, we are being dragged in against our will. OUT OUT OUT!!!!!!

How sad...it is a trade deal, you know the thing some regulars here said would never happen...

Yes. I know. Nobody ever said trade deals would not happen. That is an utter misrepresentation. What people said was we'd never be able to replace the level of trade, and benefits deriving, which we once had inside the EU single Market, with other trading arrangements. So, the exam question is, are our trading arrangements now superior to when we were member of the Single Market? You know, has leaving the Single market been "worth it", to quote the thread title.

Over to you.

[Mortarboard]

Vanden Saab said:

How sad...it is a trade deal, you know the thing some regulars here said would never happen...

Quote a few then. Hell, quote one

M.

[nickfrog]

Pan Pan Pan said:

We are seeing what happens in France when democracy is over ruled by a politician.

Except it wasn't. 49.3 is part of the constitution. It gave the right for the opposition to a vote of no confidence. The MPs had a vote and they decided to give the gvt their confidence, albeit by only 9 votes (52% vs 48% amusingly, but that's democracy for you). Let's wait and see what the Conseil Constitutionnel say about it. Yes yet another safeguard enshrined in the Democratic Republic.

This really has nothing to do with Brexit.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 29th March 16:25

[HM-2]

Vanden Saab said:

the thing some regulars here said would never happen...

We all know this is completely false, so I have no idea what possessed you to say it. You could have made a real and valid argument here, but you chose to perpetuate obvious falsehood instead.