Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

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Murph7355

37,716 posts

256 months

Monday 4th March
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Mortarboard said:
It negates them because the effects of those average out across industries, for example, energy effects are unlikely to specifically impact one nation's import/exports as a percentage of gdp when compared to others. Import/exports are, by and large, global.
An individual country would have to be massively differently affected by one of those global events before it would even start to impact trade intensity- it is a ratio of gdp.

M.
You bolded the wrong bits smile

Stats are great, but in these circumstances all they can do is present probabilities with degrees of confidence. They prove nothing really.

The biggest single issue of the last 4yrs has been inept government. How much of that was down to geopolitical distractions is also hard to untangle.

The biggest issue for the next 10+yrs is that there is nobody on the horizon in any of the big political parties who has a fking clue what to do with any of it. We are in a massive transitory period in our politics (IMO). Hopefully both big parties will implode - the next 5yrs may prompt this - which might prompt the change that is needed in the way we are governed.

Whether that brings about the fundamental changes needed, who knows. But we can't continue with this system that promotes bickering.

(This isn't a unique UK problem either. All Western democracies are going through the same...they're just on slightly different points in the curve).

Mortarboard

5,713 posts

55 months

Monday 4th March
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Murph7355 said:
You bolded the wrong bits smile
Then with all due respect murph, in that case you can't trust import numbers, export numbers gdp, employment numbers or even government spending at department level.
They're all done to the same level as trade intensity figures are.

And they're all a damn sight more reliable than "lol but no"

wink

M.

Murph7355

37,716 posts

256 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Mortarboard said:
Then with all due respect murph, in that case you can't trust import numbers, export numbers gdp, employment numbers or even government spending at department level.
They're all done to the same level as trade intensity figures are.

And they're all a damn sight more reliable than "lol but no"

wink

M.
Import and export numbers are actual numbers (I worked for HMRC for a short while as an undergrad' working on trade statistics).

Intensity calculations are fine too.

It is the extrapolation that they, and some perceived ability to disentangle major events, can prove Brexit as a major negative problem that I challenge (though not enough that I care that much other than to wander in here on rare occasions when bored these days).

I'd assert that even had Brexit not happened, the country would still be deep in the st. Largely because of my aforementioned views on what the biggest issues of the day are.


CivicDuties

4,637 posts

30 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Salad days are over...but it's probably ok because only woke snowflakes eat salad, it's a dirty foreign habit, real men eat broken glass.


Deesee

8,421 posts

83 months

Tuesday 5th March
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CivicDuties said:
Salad days are over...but it's probably ok because only woke snowflakes eat salad, it's a dirty foreign habit, real men eat broken glass.

Err, that company had racked up 1m+ off losses before the referendum (2012/2016), had very little capital and had to financed there sales ledger by 3/4m in 2014.

Took their suppliers for 15m (which on a turnover of 30m indicates they were struggling before any vote as they had stretched there debtor days KIV fresh food does not last 6 months) and of the 2 million in shareholder funds returned Zero to their creditors.

They were trading insolvent. Hence HSBC pulling the plug on the invoice finance facility, it was such a mess they could not even pre pack.

& this happened in 2016, it was fully dissolved by 2019 before the exit date.

It’s was a undercapitalised badly run business.

CivicDuties

4,637 posts

30 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Fair enough, looks like I got fished with that one.

Rufus Stone

6,221 posts

56 months

S600BSB

4,632 posts

106 months

Friday 22nd March
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Can’t believe this thread is still going given the disaster that Brexit has been.

bitchstewie

51,232 posts

210 months

S600BSB

4,632 posts

106 months

Saturday 30th March
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Vanden Saab

14,093 posts

74 months

Saturday 30th March
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bhstewie said:
How is UK car makers having to source more parts for their cars from the UK a bad thing?

Mortarboard

5,713 posts

55 months

Saturday 30th March
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Shhhhh, don't mention the fact that Canada has now halted trade talks with the uk.....

M.

crankedup5

9,641 posts

35 months

Saturday 30th March
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Mortarboard said:
Shhhhh, don't mention the fact that Canada has now halted trade talks with the uk.....

M.
Anywhere nice for your holiday ‘M’?
Welcome back. smile

Mortarboard

5,713 posts

55 months

Saturday 30th March
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crankedup5 said:
Anywhere nice for your holiday ‘M’?
Welcome back. smile
Just back from Chicago, Vegas end of april. thumbup

M.

crankedup5

9,641 posts

35 months

Saturday 30th March
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Mortarboard said:
crankedup5 said:
Anywhere nice for your holiday ‘M’?
Welcome back. smile
Just back from Chicago, Vegas end of april. thumbup

M.
Good man, keep your wallet closed or just ajar perhaps in Vegas. smile

Mortarboard

5,713 posts

55 months

Saturday 30th March
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crankedup5 said:
Mortarboard said:
crankedup5 said:
Anywhere nice for your holiday ‘M’?
Welcome back. smile
Just back from Chicago, Vegas end of april. thumbup

M.
Good man, keep your wallet closed or just ajar perhaps in Vegas. smile
Pfffft.

If you're going to Vegas, you vegas. thumbup

M.

Vanden Saab

14,093 posts

74 months

Saturday 30th March
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Mortarboard said:
Shhhhh, don't mention the fact that Canada has now halted trade talks with the uk.....

M.
Shhhh, CPTPP...

Mortarboard

5,713 posts

55 months

Saturday 30th March
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Vanden Saab said:
Mortarboard said:
Shhhhh, don't mention the fact that Canada has now halted trade talks with the uk.....

M.
Shhhh, CPTPP...
Just as well Canada isn't a member, eh?

Oh, wait.....

Yes, pissing off one of the members before its even started. Is it because they speak French of something?

M.

crankedup5

9,641 posts

35 months

Saturday 30th March
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Mortarboard said:
crankedup5 said:
Mortarboard said:
crankedup5 said:
Anywhere nice for your holiday ‘M’?
Welcome back. smile
Just back from Chicago, Vegas end of april. thumbup

M.
Good man, keep your wallet closed or just ajar perhaps in Vegas. smile
Pfffft.

If you're going to Vegas, you vegas. thumbup

M.
Never been myself, but whatever floats your boat, enjoy.

Mortarboard

5,713 posts

55 months

Saturday 30th March
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crankedup5 said:
Never been myself, but whatever floats your boat, enjoy.
Plenty fir the petrolhead, including an aftermarket ford parts garage at the south end of town. wink

M.