Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)
Discussion
CivicDuties said:
What we've done with Brexit is this. We've burnt down our house without an insurance policy in place, and are now rebuilding it, brick by brick, as and when we think we can afford a brick. Meanwhile, we're living in a tent in the garden.
It's been an absolutely pointless exercise, actually it's been worse than pointless.
I'm quoting this because it exactly describes the situation. It's been an absolutely pointless exercise, actually it's been worse than pointless.
Murph7355 said:
Out of interest, where are you seeing claims that "it's all great"?
Also, did the same bar apply whilst being a member?
Out of interest, nah, that's a challenge and I know one when I read one. Lol. You're not just shimmying up.Also, did the same bar apply whilst being a member?
https://www.express.co.uk/latest/brexit
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/brexit/index.html
I don't really care about the tabloids and never read them. But they have direct topic links with lots of claims.
Yes the same bar did apply, it was more easily jumped. I'm not EU great way hey, I am brexiters f
ked up and have yet to validate that choice.cheesejunkie said:
crankedup5 said:
Projecting onto other posters (me on this occasion) what you want to believe is a desperate and pointless act. Take a breath and think it over.
I'm not projecting crank. I think you've unrealistic expectations.I'm not sure your figures are correct, I've reason to think they're wrong. But I'll not dilute the point. Brexit is not going to result in UK workers filling the gaps for those that used to come from the EU. No amount of bulls
t talk around work numbers is going to change that. Get used to screwing many industries. Because that's what you're supporting. You're not helping by implying they should recruit brits.Honestly, I have taken a breath and am not up tight. I'm a biased but attempting to be impartial observer. I wish some of you would give it a go, you're too invested in the decision you've made and attempting to defend it in cases where it's not working. A better solution would be admit Brexit's done, deal with it honestly and not the fantasy land s
te where the EU give the UK Cale and lets them eat it at the same time.Where did I say that those workers currently on sick leave will getting back into work will satisfy the need for more workers to fill vacancies ? Clue - I didn’t .
I certainly support workers current unfit for work to be reassessed and found work.
Industry always find ways to resolve difficult trading conditions.
You have a nasty habit of inventing stuff and projecting that onto others posters.
I work with a number of manufacturing businesses.
They all have been struggling with recruitment and retention after losing a lot of staff back to their home countries - mostly Spain and Poland post-brexit.
One missed delivery of multi £M of product last year on a new contract with a global pharma company.
Pay is good plus they will support people through further study etc.
Have done recruitment fairs at colleges and unis. £30k (i think) starting salary.
Its very tough. Now looking at someway of raising salaries to meet new immigration requirements.
Talking to leadership team for one business they think part of issue with retaining British staff is them not allowed to take phones into the manufacturing areas - these are clean-rooms.
I live overseas and own a couple of businesses here. One, we paid 1.5% tax for first three years as government want to encourage entrepreneurship/small business. Another one - scheme to give 18 month free lease on a building to see if an F&B outlet would work.
When I did some work with the DTI to attract foreign investment to UK their pitches to investors didn’t even include plates for biscuits or matching chairs….
They all have been struggling with recruitment and retention after losing a lot of staff back to their home countries - mostly Spain and Poland post-brexit.
One missed delivery of multi £M of product last year on a new contract with a global pharma company.
Pay is good plus they will support people through further study etc.
Have done recruitment fairs at colleges and unis. £30k (i think) starting salary.
Its very tough. Now looking at someway of raising salaries to meet new immigration requirements.
Talking to leadership team for one business they think part of issue with retaining British staff is them not allowed to take phones into the manufacturing areas - these are clean-rooms.
I live overseas and own a couple of businesses here. One, we paid 1.5% tax for first three years as government want to encourage entrepreneurship/small business. Another one - scheme to give 18 month free lease on a building to see if an F&B outlet would work.
When I did some work with the DTI to attract foreign investment to UK their pitches to investors didn’t even include plates for biscuits or matching chairs….
I work with a number of manufacturing businesses.
They all have been struggling with recruitment and retention after losing a lot of staff back to their home countries - mostly Spain and Poland post-brexit.
One missed delivery of multi £M of product last year on a new contract with a global pharma company.
Pay is good plus they will support people through further study etc.
Have done recruitment fairs at colleges and unis. £30k (i think) starting salary.
Its very tough. Now looking at someway of raising salaries to meet new immigration requirements.
Talking to leadership team for one business they think part of issue with retaining British staff is them not allowed to take phones into the manufacturing areas - these are clean-rooms.
I live overseas and own a couple of businesses here. One, we paid 1.5% tax for first three years as government want to encourage entrepreneurship/small business. Another one - scheme to give 18 month free lease on a building to see if an F&B outlet would work.
When I did some work with the DTI to attract foreign investment to UK their pitches to investors didn’t even include plates for biscuits or matching chairs….
They all have been struggling with recruitment and retention after losing a lot of staff back to their home countries - mostly Spain and Poland post-brexit.
One missed delivery of multi £M of product last year on a new contract with a global pharma company.
Pay is good plus they will support people through further study etc.
Have done recruitment fairs at colleges and unis. £30k (i think) starting salary.
Its very tough. Now looking at someway of raising salaries to meet new immigration requirements.
Talking to leadership team for one business they think part of issue with retaining British staff is them not allowed to take phones into the manufacturing areas - these are clean-rooms.
I live overseas and own a couple of businesses here. One, we paid 1.5% tax for first three years as government want to encourage entrepreneurship/small business. Another one - scheme to give 18 month free lease on a building to see if an F&B outlet would work.
When I did some work with the DTI to attract foreign investment to UK their pitches to investors didn’t even include plates for biscuits or matching chairs….
cheesejunkie said:
Out of interest, nah, that's a challenge and I know one when I read one. Lol. You're not just shimmying up.
https://www.express.co.uk/latest/brexit
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/brexit/index.html
I don't really care about the tabloids and never read them. But they have direct topic links with lots of claims.
Yes the same bar did apply, it was more easily jumped. I'm not EU great way hey, I am brexiters fked up and have yet to validate that choice.
You cheeky minx suggesting I was shimmying up. Only Mrs Murph gets the opportunity to spurn those advances https://www.express.co.uk/latest/brexit
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/brexit/index.html
I don't really care about the tabloids and never read them. But they have direct topic links with lots of claims.
Yes the same bar did apply, it was more easily jumped. I'm not EU great way hey, I am brexiters f
ked up and have yet to validate that choice.
You don't care about the tabloids, and yet when it suits you take what they say at face value?
Nobody has to "validate their choice" to you or anyone else. Those arguments were had 8yrs ago. You don't like them, them's the breaks. You can't comprehend the choice, that's on you.
Politicians of all ilks received a shot across their bows not to take s
t for granted. They're still reeling from the lesson. But one day it will sink in. That in and of itself will be a "good thing". Murph7355 said:
You cheeky minx suggesting I was shimmying up. Only Mrs Murph gets the opportunity to spurn those advances
You don't care about the tabloids, and yet when it suits you take what they say at face value?
Nobody has to "validate their choice" to you or anyone else. Those arguments were had 8yrs ago. You don't like them, them's the breaks. You can't comprehend the choice, that's on you.
Politicians of all ilks received a shot across their bows not to take st for granted. They're still reeling from the lesson. But one day it will sink in. That in and of itself will be a "good thing".
I'll happily allow Mrs Murph her domination, I've a Mrs cheese who'd tear strips out of me for some of what I post on here if she knew You don't care about the tabloids, and yet when it suits you take what they say at face value?
Nobody has to "validate their choice" to you or anyone else. Those arguments were had 8yrs ago. You don't like them, them's the breaks. You can't comprehend the choice, that's on you.
Politicians of all ilks received a shot across their bows not to take s
t for granted. They're still reeling from the lesson. But one day it will sink in. That in and of itself will be a "good thing". 
I think I agree with you that some are still reeling from the lesson. I don't agree it's bound to be a good thing. There's a bit of you asked for it now you'll get it in my view which I agree with. My lefty liberal nonsense doesn't extend to sympathy for all, you asked for it now you're going to get it. Some were mislead, some were dissatisfied, all are going to pay the piper. I'm not a doom monger, it's not going to be as bad as some imply, but some were taken for a ride.
StevieBee said:
It appears none will be forthcoming any time soon and seems now that it wasn't about benefits anyway. Something to do with freedom from something or other.
The first and likely only brexit benefit is watching some realise what they’ve voted for and complain about the consequences, see farmers and fishermen.I’m not unsympathetic, but I do have a f
k you attitude.Some of those voters thought they were making the correct decision and did so with decency. That they were wrong’s a fact, don’t hate them for being wrong. Don’t disrespect them.
Cranked’s racism is a very different ask, I won’t hate, it’s a struggle not to, but I won’t support and I won’t respect.
StevieBee said:
Spare tyre said:
When do I see my first brexit benefit
It appears none will be forthcoming any time soon and seems now that it wasn't about benefits anyway. Something to do with freedom from something or other.Will check back in next month to get the omnibus of superb improvements.
mike9009 said:
Brexit is and was always a complete folly.
Looking forward to Reform selling pixie dust again.
Why was it that the ‘Remain campaign’ was unable to convince the majority of those who took an active interest in the issue that to leave the EU would be a negative outcome?Looking forward to Reform selling pixie dust again.
BTW I voted to leave the EU and remain content with my decision.
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