Trans woman convicted rapist sent to female prison
Discussion
oddman said:
Getragdogleg said:
We could try and sort out the immense mental illness problem this country (and others in the "west") have that lead to barmy situations like this.
Its a man, a man with massive problems with self image (the big obvious tattoos are a good indicator, especially facial ones) and a big problem with sexual control.
Mixed together its a recipe for the sort of thing we just read in the article.
He committed the crimes as a man with his penis, a penis he still has. No amount of "operations on the NHS" are going to fix his mental problems.
There are clear cases where being trans is a fact of life for an individual and I accept that in some cases transitioning is absolutely the right thing, I know several people who are genuinely now in the "right" body and present a public image that is the one they identify with, this guy is not one of them. He's a pervert rapist with severe mental disorders who is playing on the sympathies of the kinder and more accepting members of this society.
The trouble is this Man/rapist will do more harm for trans rights and acceptance than good. Pick your battles and don't back this horse, its wrong one.
QuiteIts a man, a man with massive problems with self image (the big obvious tattoos are a good indicator, especially facial ones) and a big problem with sexual control.
Mixed together its a recipe for the sort of thing we just read in the article.
He committed the crimes as a man with his penis, a penis he still has. No amount of "operations on the NHS" are going to fix his mental problems.
There are clear cases where being trans is a fact of life for an individual and I accept that in some cases transitioning is absolutely the right thing, I know several people who are genuinely now in the "right" body and present a public image that is the one they identify with, this guy is not one of them. He's a pervert rapist with severe mental disorders who is playing on the sympathies of the kinder and more accepting members of this society.
The trouble is this Man/rapist will do more harm for trans rights and acceptance than good. Pick your battles and don't back this horse, its wrong one.
and the flip side of this is having some consideration and empathy for the female offenders he will be housed with.
Female prisoners on the whole are a checklist of vulnerabilities - survivors of child neglect and abuse. Usually imprisoned for drug related and acquisitive crimes commonly as a result of being in adult abusive relationships.
It's a sick joke that the 'progressives' jump on the bandwagon supporting offenders like this and neglect the competing rights of the most vulnerable women in society.
Edited by oddman on Tuesday 24th January 20:57
HM-2 said:
survivalist said:
Does it mean that the prisoners she will be spending time with somehow less vulnerable?
That's usually the purpose behind segregating prisoners outside of the general population, yes. I mean, do you think the idea is to house alongside the most vulnerable?!Edited by HM-2 on Tuesday 24th January 21:59
Forgive me for saying, but I think we are caring too much about the rapist and hardly anything about the victims.
HM-2 said:
The murder rate amongst trans people is something like 4.5 times that of cisgender people.
Well, that is not at all correct.In the UK, over the last twenty years, there have been less than one transgender person murdered every year.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...
plenty said:
My opening point was that a nuanced debate on this thread is impossible. And so it's proven. This thread (as is typical of this forum) isn't a debate, it's people shouting at each other from entrenched positions.
Then don’t be so entrenched, if you find it impossible to discuss the topic look at why.Then, join in!
Electro1980 said:
survivalist said:
HM-2 said:
Yes, very true, but it also cuts the other way. Segregation is also used to separate prisoners who are judged to pose a risk to others. Which is what I suspect I'd happening here, at least until such a time as a proper risk assessment can take place.
Indeed it is and people will have a variety of experiences and opinions on how likely this will be effectively implemented. Either way, this is a good illustration of how pro-trans legislation has given rise to a number of complex and challenging issues and that having a discussion about them isn’t immediately anti-trans / transphobic.
andyA700 said:
What is wrong with this male prisoner being kept in a segregated area in a man's prison? Are the wishes of a rapist more important than the concerns of the general public? Is it right for people to identify out of their natal sex, in order to face justice?
Forgive me for saying, but I think we are caring too much about the rapist and hardly anything about the victims.
Rubbish, they’ve been convicted and imprisoned. That’s the end of the judicial process. Everything after that is for the SPS to decide, they have a duty of care to everyone in the system and have to balance that.Forgive me for saying, but I think we are caring too much about the rapist and hardly anything about the victims.
If this person is left in general pop and something happens either with them as the perpetrator or victim then that’s failed and should be addressed.
Getragdogleg said:
We are witnessing the collapse of our society and future generations may well study this time and ask WTF ?
I don't think so. I think that most people will look back and think that although mistakes were made, this period was one where improvements were made in the way we think about and treat various minorities.Actually, I'm not sure that even that is true; the world is always changing and (as far as I know) rarely goes back. "This period" probably doesn't really exist in isolation as it has no start or end and is just a part of the ever changing world.
andyA700 said:
HM-2 said:
The murder rate amongst trans people is something like 4.5 times that of cisgender people.
Well, that is not at all correct.https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-...
ZedLeg said:
andyA700 said:
What is wrong with this male prisoner being kept in a segregated area in a man's prison? Are the wishes of a rapist more important than the concerns of the general public? Is it right for people to identify out of their natal sex, in order to face justice?
Forgive me for saying, but I think we are caring too much about the rapist and hardly anything about the victims.
Rubbish, they’ve been convicted and imprisoned. That’s the end of the judicial process. Everything after that is for the SPS to decide, they have a duty of care to everyone in the system and have to balance that.Forgive me for saying, but I think we are caring too much about the rapist and hardly anything about the victims.
If this person is left in general pop and something happens either with them as the perpetrator or victim then that’s failed and should be addressed.
Cis female prisoners in female prisons: "Poor little mites, probably didn't do anything wrong either. They need to be protected from the nastiness of the world"
Trans female prisoners in female prisons: "Barbaric monsters! Must only be there to commit more offences. EMASCULATE THEM WITH PLASTIC CUTLERY"
The mind boggles.
HM-2 said:
I love the dichotomy of thought in this thread. Really heartening to see the consistency in people's views.
Cis female prisoners in female prisons: "Poor little mites, probably didn't do anything wrong either. They need to be protected from the nastiness of the world"
Trans female prisoners in female prisons: "Barbaric monsters! Must only be there to commit more offences. EMASCULATE THEM WITH PLASTIC CUTLERY"
The mind boggles.
Yeah, I was thinking that it doesn’t really fit with other threads where people are practically begging for people to get got.Cis female prisoners in female prisons: "Poor little mites, probably didn't do anything wrong either. They need to be protected from the nastiness of the world"
Trans female prisoners in female prisons: "Barbaric monsters! Must only be there to commit more offences. EMASCULATE THEM WITH PLASTIC CUTLERY"
The mind boggles.
Let’s not forget that all the reasons given for women being vulnerable in prison are equally applicable to men.
andyA700 said:
They already have a notorious, violent transwoman in Foston Hall prison. You are obviously of the opinion that men are no threat to women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Jeska
Foston Hall houses a number of notorious and violent women:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Jeska
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_Thorpe
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Porton
As well as well as sex offenders:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2022/05/2...
What exactly is your point?
Also fyi Andy, I'm going to reply to this morning's froth dump with my patented facts and logic but you are letting your mask slip to the point where it's even possible to pretend we are having a polite discussion.
andyA700 said:
That is down to the behaviour of males against males and is the responsibiluity of the prison service. It doesn't mean that transwomen (males) should be housed in women's prisons.
Andy, sweetheart, I think you're a bit slow on the uptake here.It was a 'responsibiluity' of the prison service. They reviewed practices and procedures and put in the framework that I have linked earlier in this thread. The framework is being followed.
Just because you don't like trans women doesn't mean that they deserve to be assaulted anymore than anybody else.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 25th January 09:39
Jenny Tailor said:
Justice Sherry Before-Elevens "Big Dave Bonecrusher, aka Trixie McGently, you have been found guilty of raping multiple woman - I sentence you to 8 years in a prison filled with women.
I hope you will have learned your lesson."
What could go wrong?
100% this. Username checks out for thread too! I hope you will have learned your lesson."
What could go wrong?
Did Adam Graham illustrate any notion to be 'trans' before they committed multiple rapes? No.
Did Adam Graham play the "I'm now transitioning" card the moment they got a sniff of a custodial sentence? Yes.
What could their motivations possibly be for this, one wonders?
It is preposterous to imagine otherwise, those going along with this nonsense and accusing anyone having the temerity to question the absurdity of it of being 'transphobic' does a great injustice to those non-criminals in society who are genuinely transgender, and consequently cop a load of flak because the waters of the whole transgender debate are muddied by such nonsense as this.
They have a penis and should be doing their time in the sex offender's section of a male prison.
I think I got all my pronouns correct there, but forgive me if not, not intentional, it's just they were born with a penis and still have one, so should be housed in a prison with all the other penis owners, as opposed to the one where the inmates don't own a penis.
Edited by PurpleTurtle on Wednesday 25th January 09:31
PurpleTurtle said:
Did Adam Graham illustrate any notion to be 'trans' before they committed multiple rapes? No.
BBC report says;BBC said:
The second woman was raped at a flat in Drumchapel, Glasgow on 27 June 2019.
Bryson told jurors how she had shared her "sexuality issues" with the 34-year-old having met on the social media site Bigo.
Bryson told jurors how she had shared her "sexuality issues" with the 34-year-old having met on the social media site Bigo.
otolith said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Did Adam Graham illustrate any notion to be 'trans' before they committed multiple rapes? No.
BBC report says;BBC said:
The second woman was raped at a flat in Drumchapel, Glasgow on 27 June 2019.
Bryson told jurors how she had shared her "sexuality issues" with the 34-year-old having met on the social media site Bigo.
Bryson told jurors how she had shared her "sexuality issues" with the 34-year-old having met on the social media site Bigo.
PurpleTurtle said:
100% this. Username checks out for thread too!
Did Adam Graham illustrate any notion to be 'trans' before they committed multiple rapes? No.
Did Adam Graham play the "I'm now transitioning" card the moment they got a sniff of a custodial sentence? Yes.
What could their motivations possibly be for this, one wonders?
It is preposterous to imagine otherwise, those going along with this nonsense and accusing anyone having the temerity to question the absurdity of it of being 'transphobic' does a great injustice to those non-criminals in society who are genuinely transgender, and consequently cop a load of flak because the waters of the whole transgender debate are muddied by such nonsense as this.
YepDid Adam Graham illustrate any notion to be 'trans' before they committed multiple rapes? No.
Did Adam Graham play the "I'm now transitioning" card the moment they got a sniff of a custodial sentence? Yes.
What could their motivations possibly be for this, one wonders?
It is preposterous to imagine otherwise, those going along with this nonsense and accusing anyone having the temerity to question the absurdity of it of being 'transphobic' does a great injustice to those non-criminals in society who are genuinely transgender, and consequently cop a load of flak because the waters of the whole transgender debate are muddied by such nonsense as this.
Biggy Stardust said:
I'm a very long way from being one of the PH liberals.
OTOH I see it this way: anyone who's been sufficiently naughty to finish up in prison doesn't deserve massive concern.
I understand about duty of care, etc., but feel that such duty is massively diminished for criminals convicted of something sufficiently serious that a custodial sentence has been deemed necessary, especially in view of the incredible reluctance to imprison women.
In short, if they commit the crimes then I'm not hugely fussed about their welfare.
I don't think I'm usually a soft touch but actually locking women up with a known rapist is completely wrong.OTOH I see it this way: anyone who's been sufficiently naughty to finish up in prison doesn't deserve massive concern.
I understand about duty of care, etc., but feel that such duty is massively diminished for criminals convicted of something sufficiently serious that a custodial sentence has been deemed necessary, especially in view of the incredible reluctance to imprison women.
In short, if they commit the crimes then I'm not hugely fussed about their welfare.
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