Trans woman convicted rapist sent to female prison

[Clockwork Cupcake]

WorldBoss said:

Yes bobbo89, we're all aware that your stance on LGBTQ+ rights is a big old "F you, I got mine", good for you and the small minority of Gay, Lesbian and Bi people who share your sentiments, and while you are more than welcome to voice your feelings and opinions as an individual, you are in a minority.

The majority of Lesbian, gay and bi people stand in solidarity and recognise the push for the rights, freedoms, protections and basic dignity that you enjoy as a gay man in the UK were built upon the literal blood, sweat and tears of people from all of the LGBTQ+ umbrella that you seem so keen to distant yourself from and mock, and recognise that an attempt to further marginalise and sensationalise one group of people that may fall under that umbrella as a broader attack on the group as a whole, or at the very least a sizeable creep towards it; One only needs to look at the vitriol towards 'Drag Queen Story Hour', something is performed almost exclusively by gay & bi men, to see it in action.

But if you still think the groups like the right wing funded 'LGB Alliance' genuinely have your best interests in mind then good luck to you.

A very measured and well-written reply that completely sums up my own feelings.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Saturday 18th March 19:13

[gregs656]

bobbo89 said:

Yeah because we're all one big community with the same hive mind and combined group think

I hate when people refer to this alphabet 'community'! Because being gay means I get bundled into this weird group where apparently we all think the same and hold the same opinions.

I hold back on here now as I suspect many others do what with the usual suspects who gate keep threads where this topic arises but I, as well as many other LGB people I know, are disassociating with this LGBTQIABCDE+ nonsense. It's all gone way beyond being about the acceptance of same sex attraction and it's starting to have a negative affect where by being gay gets you associated with everything that goes beyond the B which is all becoming a bit mental.

My bold. If you are talking about the rights movement that kicked off in the middle of the last century - it was never *just* about acceptance of same sex attraction.

Trans rights are obviously in sharp focus at the moment, but it is unfair not to recognise that trans people have been visibly part of the wider rights movement and deeply connected to the community.

[ZedLeg]

I was going through my photos for a stupid twitter meme and found screen caps from a conversation I’d had online at the end of 2019. The talking points are the same, exactly the same.

For all the people saying that trans people have to be patient, how patient? Five years and socially nothing has changed, if you look at how governments are talking about trans people then in reality they are significantly worse off.

[bobbo89]

Yep, well that worked a treat, they all arrived. Have a nice evening chaps

[HM-2]

bobbo89 said:

Yep, well that worked a treat, they all arrived. Have a nice evening chaps

A post that in essence amounts to "well, I'm only here to he a troll" isn't exactly a win, is it?

[Clockwork Cupcake]

HM-2 said:

A post that in essence amounts to "well, I'm only here to he a troll" isn't exactly a win, is it?

Pathetic

[bobbo89]

HM-2 said:

A post that in essence amounts to "well, I'm only here to he a troll" isn't exactly a win, is it?

I'm not here to 'win' or 'troll' anything. Just pointing out that as a gay guy i'm not down with the whole idea of that we all fit into line and shout the same mantras.

I take issue with people assuming that because I'm gay that means I'm part of some 'community'.

[HM-2]

bobbo89 said:

I take issue with people assuming that because I'm gay that means I'm part of some 'community'.

I don't think anyone did. Rather, you seem to have taken issue with others discussing a "community" that you've willingly said you're not part of.

[bobbo89]

HM-2 said:

bobbo89 said:

I take issue with people assuming that because I'm gay that means I'm part of some 'community'.

I don't think anyone did. Rather, you seem to have taken issue with others discussing a "community" that you've willingly said you're not part of.

I get force teamed and associated with it though.....

[HM-2]

bobbo89 said:

HM-2 said:

bobbo89 said:

I take issue with people assuming that because I'm gay that means I'm part of some 'community'.

I don't think anyone did. Rather, you seem to have taken issue with others discussing a "community" that you've willingly said you're not part of.

I get force teamed and associated with it though.....

Not by anyone on the thread you didn't. "Bobbo89 doesn't like being associated with the LGBT community" doesn't really seem to have any relevance to the posts made it the topic at hand.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

bobbo89 said:

I get force teamed and associated with it though.....

I'm sorry that people assume that you might be aligned with tolerance and acceptance when you clearly aren't. But you soon cleared up that misconception, so thanks for that.

So, on that evidence, I doubt people associate you with it for long. Especially given how at pains you are to distance yourself.

[bobbo89]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

I'm sorry that people assume that you might be aligned with tolerance and acceptance

I'm more aligned with fact and reality, you might not like it but it is what it is....

[8.4L 154]

bobbo89 said:

8.4L 154 said:

unanimous agreement from the LGBT community

Yeah because we're all one big community with the same hive mind and combined group think

I hate when people refer to this alphabet 'community'! Because being gay means I get bundled into this weird group where apparently we all think the same and hold the same opinions.

I hold back on here now as I suspect many others do what with the usual suspects who gate keep threads where this topic arises but I, as well as many other LGB people I know, are disassociating with this LGBTQIABCDE+ nonsense. It's all gone way beyond being about the acceptance of same sex attraction and it's starting to have a negative affect where by being gay gets you associated with everything that goes beyond the B which is all becoming a bit mental.

I respectfully request you do not selectively quote and wilfully misinterpret what I wrote in order to misrepresent what I said, feel free to quote where I have said the LGBT community is one combined group or hive mind. Those are your words not mine, in fact in the full context of what I wrote I was explicitly referencing that my take of the situation concerned was a significant disagreement between various people who do consider themselves part of a wider LGBT community. The exact opposite of a hive mind or group think. It was one almighty spat and not a particularly unusual occurrence either.

I also fully concur with Worldboss's post above.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

bobbo89 said:

I'm more aligned with fact and reality, you might not like it but it is what it is....

Well, let's just agree to differ on that; on the matter of trans issues my lived reality is different to your perceived reality.

Personally, I am grateful for the support and acceptance that I get from the LGBTQ+ community and I accept that you are not part of that community. Message received and understood.

[anonymous-user]

bobbo89 said:

I'm more aligned with fact and reality, you might not like it but it is what it is....

Shall we perhaps have a look at some of the "fact and reality" that you're aligning yourself with?

Gay men Trans women are sexual predators
The existence of Gay men Trans women go against basic fundamental science
Gay men Trans women can't be trusted in single gender spaces and are a obvious danger to people that use them
Gay men Trans women are grooming children towards their lifestyle.
Gay men Trans women choose to be that way.

Same dog whistles, different letter; But don't worry Bobo, you'll be happy to know that I associate you as falling under the umbrella of a "hypocrite" much more than I do as under the umbrealla of "LGBTQ+"

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 18th March 21:12

[Clockwork Cupcake]

WorldBoss said:

Shall we perhaps have a look at some of the "fact and reality" that you're aligning yourself with?

Gay men Trans women are sexual predators
The existence of Gay men Trans women go against basic fundamental science
Gay men Trans women can't be trusted in bathrooms and are a obvious danger to people that use them
Gay men Trans women are grooming children towards their lifestyle.
Gay men Trans women choose to be that way.

Same dog whistles, different letter; But don't worry Bobo, you'll be happy to know that I associate you as falling under the umbrella of a "hypocrite" much more than I do as under the umbrealla of "LGBTQ+"

"Backs against the walls, lads" (ie. all gay men are rapists)

Thankfully no longer an acceptable thing to say but a very prevalent attitude in the 80's and 90's towards gay men. Wasn't funny then, isn't funny now. Never has been funny apart from to homophobic bullies.

Given the "89" in bobbo89's username, I suspect he's had it easier than older posters.

Well, I'm happy for you bobbo89. You're alright, Jack.

[eccles]

bobbo89 said:

I get force teamed and associated with it though.....

I can understand where you're coming from.
I have quite a few gay family members and friends and they seem to be broadly split into two camps. One of my cousins and a few friends are relatively camp, are into the whole pride thing and there's no mistaking they are gay!
An Uncle, a couple of other cousins and few other friends just happen to be gay and have no wish to be part of the rainbow wearing pride scene. They in no way hide their sexuality, but to them it seems it's a small part of their life, not all of it.

[LunarOne]

Decided to look in on this thread since it's hovering near the top of What's New. I usually keep out of threads like this as I find them caustic and unpleasant, but I'd been holding out hope that perhaps PH was changing for the better. I can see that there are certainly a few enlightened beings posting, but sadly the thread seems to have gone much as I feared it would have. Sigh...

[Clockwork Cupcake]

eccles said:

An Uncle, a couple of other cousins and few other friends just happen to be gay and have no wish to be part of the rainbow wearing pride scene. They in no way hide their sexuality, but to them it seems it's a small part of their life, not all of it.

And that's fair enough. And, at the end of the day, it's what most people want; the right to a quiet life. And it's great that, to a greater or lesser extent, gay men get to enjoy that now. It was a hard-fought victory.

But there is a big difference between not wanting any part of any of it and passing judgement on who should and should not be part of it.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

LunarOne said:

Decided to look in on this thread since it's hovering near the top of What's New. I usually keep out of threads like this as I find them caustic and unpleasant, but I'd been holding out hope that perhaps PH was changing for the better. I can see that there are certainly a few enlightened beings posting, but sadly the thread seems to have gone much as I feared it would have. Sigh...

Given your length of membership, would you not say that things are better now than they were 10 years ago?

My experience is that, certain usual suspects aside, PH is much more trans-friendly now than it was. So, in my humble opinion, I would say that it *is* better than it was. Or perhaps you are saying that it peaked and is now in decline with respect to tolerance? Perhaps you're right - I tend to stay away from these kind of threads these days as I got burned out on constantly having to defend my right to exist.

(edit: I realise that I have appeared to contradict myself)