Trans woman convicted rapist sent to female prison

[williamp]

JagLover said:

PurpleTurtle said:

100% this. Username checks out for thread too!

Did Adam Graham illustrate any notion to be 'trans' before they committed multiple rapes? No.
Did Adam Graham play the "I'm now transitioning" card the moment they got a sniff of a custodial sentence? Yes.
What could their motivations possibly be for this, one wonders?

It is preposterous to imagine otherwise, those going along with this nonsense and accusing anyone having the temerity to question the absurdity of it of being 'transphobic' does a great injustice to those non-criminals in society who are genuinely transgender, and consequently cop a load of flak because the waters of the whole transgender debate are muddied by such nonsense as this.

Yep

Indeed. But there is a long way to go when, even in this thread people cannot use the term "women" and have to use "cis gendered female"..

[105.4]

Earthdweller said:

105.4 said:

Not everyone in prison is guilty of committing any crimes. Miscarriages of justice are still a regular occurrence.

1) very very few, advances in forensics and other technologies plus other checks in the system have significantly reduced any chance of miscarriages of justice

There will be a large number of prisoners held in prison who are on remand awaiting trail. Some of these will be found ‘Not Guilty’ at their trail.

2) remand prisoners are kept separate from those serving sentences and under different conditions

There are a large number of prisoners who have been recalled to prison for breaking sometimes the most ridiculous of licence conditions.

3) no, not at all, mostly for committing further serious crimes or contacting/threatening prior victims, often subject to violent/sexual/abuse

There are a large number of prisoners who are inside because there isn’t the mental health facilities elsewhere to hold them.

4) no

There are a large number of prisoners who purposely commit low-level crimes to get incarcerated on purpose because they are otherwise homeless.

5) no, not true

There are a large number of people incarcerated because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Regular Joes, just like you.

6) no doesn’t happen, just doesn’t happen

Probably only around 70% of the 90’000+ prisoners are actually incarcerated because they’re a bad egg.

7) it’s actually pretty hard to get a custodial sentence, most offenders are given non custodial sentences. The seriousness of the offence and evidence against them will need to be pretty overwhelming especially given the acquittal rates in many of the Crown Courts. To get a custodial then you have done something serious and had it proved against you

With this information in mind, perhaps you’d care to reconsider your viewpoints?

1) I’m sure there are fewer miscarriages of justice than there were 50 years ago, but they still do happen.

2) Remand prisoners are kept on the same wings, and often in the same cells as those who are convicted, (at Cat-B locals, such as Armley, Notts and Marshgate). I should know, I did 22 months on remand.

3) When I was at Lindholme there was a guy who had been recalled to prison because his Wife threw a drink in his face in a pub. He didn’t lay a finger on her. The Landlord phoned the police and he was arrested for a breach of the peace / public disorder and recalled to prison.

There was another guy at Notts who was from down South and had to attend his first Probation Appointment on day of release at lunchtime, (down South where he was from). The prison staff finally released him from Nottingham in the mid-afternoon, (after his appointment time). A week or so later one of the lads on the Wing got a prison issue letter from him. He’d been recalled for missing his appointment, even though he couldn’t attend that appointment because he was still in prison at the time.

4) When I was at Marshgate, there were two guys who there quite a while awaiting being sent to secure accommodation. One was a Geordie fella who had clearly left the reservation a long time ago, and the other was a gentle giant, an ex Armed Forces guy who had some quite serious issues.

5) Also at Marshgate was a good guy called Macca. He’d been homeless for years, but couldn’t get regular sheltered accommodation. The Screws would even keep his pad vacant for him, as he’d be released and a couple of days later return to prison on another minor shoplifting charge. He was just one of many like that on the Drug Rehab Wing, (where I was an Essential Worker).

At Hatfield there was a guy called Steve who was due to be released the same day as me. A couple of weeks before his release date, he absconded on a Townie, (day release), before handing himself in the following day. He did this because he didn’t have anywhere to live and was due to be released in winter. There’s thousands of guys like that clogging up the system. Guys who purposely go to prison as they are homeless.

6) At The Lakes I met a guy, an ex school teacher who was in for death by careless driving. He was driving along a dark, rainy, unlit carriageway when someone jumped right out in front of his car. Because he’d had one drink, (but not over the limit), and was doing 55mph in a 50 mph limit, he was charged and convicted of death by careless driving. He’d lost his liberty, his job, his house and his marriage. The situation that got that guy to prison is one that any of us could quite easily find ourselves in. Even the Screws felt sorry for him, and that’s really saying something!

7) I’ve met a lot of honest people in prison. People inside play by a very simple set of rules. People on the out hide behind the law to protect them from being an ahole.

[andyA700]

Randy Winkman said:

Getragdogleg said:

We are witnessing the collapse of our society and future generations may well study this time and ask WTF ?

I don't think so. I think that most people will look back and think that although mistakes were made, this period was one where improvements were made in the way we think about and treat various minorities.

Actually, I'm not sure that even that is true; the world is always changing and (as far as I know) rarely goes back. "This period" probably doesn't really exist in isolation as it has no start or end and is just a part of the ever changing world.

Do you regard one of these improvements as locking violent males up in female prisons?

[otolith]

PurplePangolin said:

otolith said:

PurpleTurtle said:

Did Adam Graham illustrate any notion to be 'trans' before they committed multiple rapes? No.

BBC report says;

BBC said:

The second woman was raped at a flat in Drumchapel, Glasgow on 27 June 2019.

Bryson told jurors how she had shared her "sexuality issues" with the 34-year-old having met on the social media site Bigo.

Ah, that’s alright then.

Suggests that it's not a ploy, but otherwise doesn't change anything.

[Ntv]

SteveStrange said:

You'd at least wear something that tried to hide your meat and 2 veg, wouldn't you?

The nails are gorgeous!

[Electro1980]

survivalist said:

On that basis we shouldn’t separate people based on sex/gender at all, just assess everyone based on their risk to and from other inmates. Wonder how that would pan out …

Are you expecting me to row back based on that? Assessing everyone based on their risk to and from other inmates would be very sensible. Starting from a point of zero assumptions.

[IroningMan]

andyA700 said:

Do you regard one of these improvements as locking violent males up in female prisons?

What do we do with violent homosexual offenders?

[ZedLeg]

Electro1980 said:

survivalist said:

On that basis we shouldn’t separate people based on sex/gender at all, just assess everyone based on their risk to and from other inmates. Wonder how that would pan out …

Are you expecting me to row back based on that? Assessing everyone based on their risk to and from other inmates would be very sensible. Starting from a point of zero assumptions.

Yeah, it's a completely closed system under the control of the prison service. There should be provision for mitigating risk regardless of who you're working with.

But then I think prisons should be places of rehabilitation, not just holding pens for people who broke the rules so what do I know.

[SteveStrange]

IroningMan said:

andyA700 said:

Do you regard one of these improvements as locking violent males up in female prisons?

What do we do with violent homosexual offenders?

Go on, have a

[Electro1980]

ZedLeg said:

HM-2 said:

I love the dichotomy of thought in this thread. Really heartening to see the consistency in people's views.

Cis female prisoners in female prisons: "Poor little mites, probably didn't do anything wrong either. They need to be protected from the nastiness of the world"
Trans female prisoners in female prisons: "Barbaric monsters! Must only be there to commit more offences. EMASCULATE THEM WITH PLASTIC CUTLERY"

The mind boggles.

Yeah, I was thinking that it doesn’t really fit with other threads where people are practically begging for people to get got.

Let’s not forget that all the reasons given for women being vulnerable in prison are equally applicable to men.

It’s interesting the number of people who get very upset when you start to talk about how male prisoners are vulnerable are now so concerned about vulnerable female prisoners. I don’t believe for a second they have any interest in prison reform. They are just repeating the same old transphobic arguments.

Trans people seem to have basically become a pawn in a battle between progressive and reactionary feminism.

[Jenny Tailor]

Wings on the money today!

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-joke-isnt-funny-...

[PurpleTurtle]

Electro1980 said:

ZedLeg said:

HM-2 said:

I love the dichotomy of thought in this thread. Really heartening to see the consistency in people's views.

Cis female prisoners in female prisons: "Poor little mites, probably didn't do anything wrong either. They need to be protected from the nastiness of the world"
Trans female prisoners in female prisons: "Barbaric monsters! Must only be there to commit more offences. EMASCULATE THEM WITH PLASTIC CUTLERY"

The mind boggles.

Yeah, I was thinking that it doesn’t really fit with other threads where people are practically begging for people to get got.

Let’s not forget that all the reasons given for women being vulnerable in prison are equally applicable to men.

It’s interesting the number of people who get very upset when you start to talk about how male prisoners are vulnerable are now so concerned about vulnerable female prisoners. I don’t believe for a second they have any interest in prison reform. They are just repeating the same old transphobic arguments.

Trans people seem to have basically become a pawn in a battle between progressive and reactionary feminism.

How do trans people feel about male rapists with penises blatantly faking transgenderism with the specific objective of being incarcerated in a women's prison?

That's nothing to do with progressive or reactionary feminism (I wouldn't profess to know the difference between the two, in all honesty) but more to do with a violent male rapist getting access to a lot of vaginas, no?

Some interesting stats on women in prisons here: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5803/cmsel...

Most notably " Women entering the criminal justice system have often been victims of domestic abuse (almost 60% of female offenders haven experienced domestic abuse), have complex histories of trauma and mental health issues. Self-harm rates in the female prison estate have been increasing and are almost seven times higher than in the men’s estate.Women are also more likely to be primary carers. Although statistics on the parental status of women in prison are not available, HM Inspectorate of Prisons, in its 2019/20 Annual Report, noted that a higher number of females reported having a child under the age of 18 compared to males. It is estimated that 17,000 children are affected by maternal imprisonment every year"

Are we really helping these women by chucking a male rapist in with them, who has suddenly decided he wants to be a woman? I would suggest not, quite the opposite in fact.

[ZedLeg]

PurpleTurtle said:

How do trans people feel about male rapists with penises blatantly faking transgenderism with the specific objective of being incarcerated in a women's prison?

They're against it and there's already provision in the equalities act to charge people who try and take advantage of the system. This is what the SPS should be looking at when making decisions.

No one here has the information to make the call that this person is faking though.

[HM-2]

ZedLeg said:

PurpleTurtle said:

How do trans people feel about male rapists with penises blatantly faking transgenderism with the specific objective of being incarcerated in a women's prison?

They're against it and there's already provision in the equalities act to charge people who try and take advantage of the system. This is what the SPS should be looking at when making decisions.

And probably already are/have.

[BoRED S2upid]

Jenny Tailor said:

Wings on the money today!

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-joke-isnt-funny-...

Some of the comments are hilarious.

[otolith]

I'm sceptical that someone who has been caught committing rape is likely to fake transgenderism in order to get into a female prison and do some more raping. If they are, it seems to me that they are quite naive about how the inmates of either sort of prison are going to treat them. They're just going to make their own sentence more unpleasant and dangerous.

[Sheets Tabuer]

otolith said:

I'm sceptical that someone who has been caught committing rape is likely to fake transgenderism in order to get into a female prison and do some more raping. If they are, it seems to me that they are quite naive about how the inmates of either sort of prison are going to treat them. They're just going to make their own sentence more unpleasant and dangerous.

yep It's either him taking the piss out of the judiciary or he doesn't want to go in the stabby mens prison.

[Dog Star]

Jenny Tailor said:

You all should read the Scotland Independence Thread.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

and read the latest articles from wingsoverscotland.com
https://wingsoverscotland.com

Especially - The grooming of Holyrood. 23rd Jan
Mind blowing.

That Holyrood thing is bonkers! Have they gone completely mad up there?

Crazy for those that want Independence that they have to cosy up to these wierdos.

[ZedLeg]

Dog Star said:

That Holyrood thing is bonkers! Have they gone completely mad up there?

Well wings has, he's one of the many mediocre dudes who have become deranged at the thought of trans people.

[Rufus Stone]

ZedLeg said:

Well wings has, he's one of the many mediocre dudes who have become deranged at the thought of trans people.

Or he's one of the few left with some common sense.