Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[Byker28i]

Russian officials in panic over Putin was crime arrest warrant
https://dnyuz.com/2023/03/23/private-chat-leaks-sh...

[Talksteer]

TTmonkey said:

Brilliant video here Russian ATGM team fires a missile at a target, and are observed by a Ukrainian STUGNA missile team who send a laser guided missile down on them.

It’s not graphic but this is war so someone is having a very bad day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/11...


Ps don’t browse Reddit Combat Footage if you are squeamish , lots of very bad things on there.

"Beauty" of the Stugna is that you can do that with relatively low risk of having the same done back to you as it is operated remotely.

[Talksteer]

TEKNOPUG said:

vaud said:

Would they present any threat to a modern battle tank? Or more just useful against infantry (without anti tank weapons)

What use are they? Decoys to draw fire and attention / consume enemy ammo?

This conflict has established that there are 2 sorts of armoured vehicles: those with IR Optics and those without.

Those without are of ever diminishing use on a battlefield and are experiencing increasingly short survival durations.

In the invasion of Northern Iraq in 2003 there was a story of a T54/5 (or a platoon of them more likely) having about 20 Javelins fired at it and being a serious nuisance that held up the US advance.

If a tank is used very cautiously with skillful use of cover and dead ground it can be very difficult to neutralise. Basically if exposes itself for only 4-8 seconds to fire an ATGM is unlikely to be able to hit it. If it moves every few minutes artillery is unlikely to be able to hit it either.

To a degree in daylight other parties like supporting infantry can feed it targets by radio so it makes quick shots and then moves.

Basically the best way to stop it is either "brilliant" munitions like Brimstone or Spike NLOS (if you can fire promptly) or another move advanced tank coming forward to hull down ready to pick it off as it pops up. This of course then exposes that vehicle to direct fire as it can't pop in and out of cover.

[Digga]

Byker28i said:

Russian officials in panic over Putin was crime arrest warrant
https://dnyuz.com/2023/03/23/private-chat-leaks-sh...

They now realise they, by association with Putin, may well have consigned their future to one that never allows them to leave Russia for fear of detention and trail overseas.

This is a subtle but powerful tool. Not just dished out on a whim, but based on investigation and proof there is a case to be answered in court.

Add in the little Wagner spat with China over the death of Chinese mine workers in Africa and this all starts to compromise the core of Putin’s cesspit of a government.

[magpie215]

FourWheelDrift said:

Counterweights for rudder, alerion and elevators too.

Bloke I worked with had some riveting blocks shaped from B747 DU mass balance weights.

They were really good at putting rivets down.
not sure if he cut and shaped them lol

[spookly]

Talksteer said:

TEKNOPUG said:

vaud said:

Would they present any threat to a modern battle tank? Or more just useful against infantry (without anti tank weapons)

What use are they? Decoys to draw fire and attention / consume enemy ammo?

This conflict has established that there are 2 sorts of armoured vehicles: those with IR Optics and those without.

Those without are of ever diminishing use on a battlefield and are experiencing increasingly short survival durations.

In the invasion of Northern Iraq in 2003 there was a story of a T54/5 (or a platoon of them more likely) having about 20 Javelins fired at it and being a serious nuisance that held up the US advance.

If a tank is used very cautiously with skillful use of cover and dead ground it can be very difficult to neutralise. Basically if exposes itself for only 4-8 seconds to fire an ATGM is unlikely to be able to hit it. If it moves every few minutes artillery is unlikely to be able to hit it either.

To a degree in daylight other parties like supporting infantry can feed it targets by radio so it makes quick shots and then moves.

Basically the best way to stop it is either "brilliant" munitions like Brimstone or Spike NLOS (if you can fire promptly) or another move advanced tank coming forward to hull down ready to pick it off as it pops up. This of course then exposes that vehicle to direct fire as it can't pop in and out of cover.

Ukraine have aptly demonstrated the counter to such tank use. Fly a drone over the top of it and drop grenades. Seems they've had a fair bit of success using this technique already.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Digga said:

Byker28i said:

Russian officials in panic over Putin was crime arrest warrant
https://dnyuz.com/2023/03/23/private-chat-leaks-sh...

They now realise they, by association with Putin, may well have consigned their future to one that never allows them to leave Russia for fear of detention and trail overseas.

This is a subtle but powerful tool. Not just dished out on a whim, but based on investigation and proof there is a case to be answered in court.

Add in the little Wagner spat with China over the death of Chinese mine workers in Africa and this all starts to compromise the core of Putin’s cesspit of a government.

Also if you're a 30yo old official who has committed a crime you know they could get you any time in the next 50 years. The regime is unlikely to outlast you and who know how willing the next regime will be to hand people over. You're going to be very reluctant to obey orders to wipe out civilian infrastructure.

The fact that 17 children were immediately handed back to their parents makes it useful in itself. (Although perhaps counter productive overall. But courts are supposed to be impartial rather than doing the politically right thing.)

They all know that the day after Putin falls the entire population are going to do what Germany did post WW2 and there won't be a single pro-Putin guy in Russia. There will likely come a time when they will be only two willing to hand people over.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Friday 24th March 07:31

[BikeBikeBIke]

spookly said:

Ukraine have aptly demonstrated the counter to such tank use. Fly a drone over the top of it and drop grenades. Seems they've had a fair bit of success using this technique already.

I presume even an elderly tank can survive a grenade? Or are there effective AT grenades that a drone can lift?

[AlexIT]

Byker28i said:

Russian officials in panic over Putin was crime arrest warrant
https://dnyuz.com/2023/03/23/private-chat-leaks-sh...

Good, good, good.... they ought to (short) live in fear

[pquinn]

gotoPzero said:

Not sure if its been posted on here but 5 Ukrainian pilots have been trained up on the A10. That could be fun!!

Are you really sure this happened? Or are you thinking of the little bit of (iffy) sim time some had apparently had a while back, with no prospect of actually getting the aircraft?

The Americans have barely even done any pilot assessment so far let alone thought of training people, and they're the only operator so no-one else is going to be doing it for A10s.

[TameRacingDriver]

AlexIT said:

Byker28i said:

Russian officials in panic over Putin was crime arrest warrant
https://dnyuz.com/2023/03/23/private-chat-leaks-sh...

Good, good, good.... they ought to (short) live in fear

they probably thought they could do what they liked and we in the west would just stand by and do nothing, now it's truly starting to sink in what they've done and the potential consequences to them.

[BikeBikeBIke]

TameRacingDriver said:

they probably thought they could do what they liked and we in the west would just stand by and do nothing, now it's truly starting to sink in what they've done and the potential consequences to them.

I think this is true.

Unfortunately it's going to make them all ultra regime loyalists. If Putin goes the next guy could hand them all over to help normalize Russia's relations with the world.

[BikeBikeBIke]

https://t.me/grey_zone/17893


The comments!!!

These are hardcore Z heads and a significant portion of the comments are showing total understanding of how counter productive this war is to Russians using arguments we'd use ourselves and spotting all the contradictions.

Use the auto-translate and see 'vistors' comments. He gets it and he's not the only one.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Friday 24th March 09:23

[Digga]

BikeBikeBIke said:

TameRacingDriver said:

they probably thought they could do what they liked and we in the west would just stand by and do nothing, now it's truly starting to sink in what they've done and the potential consequences to them.

I think this is true.

Unfortunately it's going to make them all ultra regime loyalists. If Putin goes the next guy could hand them all over to help normalize Russia's relations with the world.

That did not happen with the (real, actual WW2) Nazis though, did it?

Like any criminal gang under pressure, there are always those on the fringes who plea-bargain their way out of danger, by supplying information to convict those closer to the action.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Digga said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

TameRacingDriver said:

they probably thought they could do what they liked and we in the west would just stand by and do nothing, now it's truly starting to sink in what they've done and the potential consequences to them.

I think this is true.

Unfortunately it's going to make them all ultra regime loyalists. If Putin goes the next guy could hand them all over to help normalize Russia's relations with the world.

That did not happen with the (real, actual WW2) Nazis though, did it?

Like any criminal gang under pressure, there are always those on the fringes who plea-bargain their way out of danger, by supplying information to convict those closer to the action.

These people will still be uneasy about this news and, unlike the Nazis, there are few enough people in the inner circle that it's practically possible they *could* all stand trial.

I'm not saying that will happen. Merely that these people will be a bit worried by this as that article suggests.

[MesoForm]

TEKNOPUG said:

vaud said:

Would they present any threat to a modern battle tank? Or more just useful against infantry (without anti tank weapons)

What use are they? Decoys to draw fire and attention / consume enemy ammo?

This conflict has established that there are 2 sorts of armoured vehicles: those with IR Optics and those without.

Those without are of ever diminishing use on a battlefield and are experiencing increasingly short survival durations.

They can be used as indirect artillery, some guy on YouTube ( https://youtube.com/shorts/oneS52OxJFQ?si=EnSIkaIE... ) says they fire a round that can be bought from Iran.

[Fatboy]

BikeBikeBIke said:

spookly said:

Ukraine have aptly demonstrated the counter to such tank use. Fly a drone over the top of it and drop grenades. Seems they've had a fair bit of success using this technique already.

I presume even an elderly tank can survive a grenade? Or are there effective AT grenades that a drone can lift?

Dropped through an open hatch a regular grenade would certainly kill the turret crew, and probably set off the ammunition - without decent optics the tank crews usually have at least the commanders hatch open so he can look around to see what's going on...

[TEKNOPUG]

MesoForm said:

TEKNOPUG said:

vaud said:

Would they present any threat to a modern battle tank? Or more just useful against infantry (without anti tank weapons)

What use are they? Decoys to draw fire and attention / consume enemy ammo?

This conflict has established that there are 2 sorts of armoured vehicles: those with IR Optics and those without.

Those without are of ever diminishing use on a battlefield and are experiencing increasingly short survival durations.

They can be used as indirect artillery, some guy on YouTube ( https://youtube.com/shorts/oneS52OxJFQ?si=EnSIkaIE... ) says they fire a round that can be bought from Iran.

As I said, "diminishing use on a battlefield", It's just a self-propelled 100m artillery piece now. And due it's lack of gun elevation it'll have what, 2km of range? Unless they dig it in to increase it's elevation. Defeats it's mobility though. Bette than something worse though I guess...

[pingu393]

Byker28i said:

Russian officials in panic over Putin was crime arrest warrant
https://dnyuz.com/2023/03/23/private-chat-leaks-sh...

Do you think that the guy who arranged the transport to get the kids from Kherson to their new "homes" realises that he is the Russian equivalent of Eichmann?

It's not just the "soldiers" at Bucha who will be judged, and now they know it.

[loafer123]

Maybe the ICC should do a few more indictments to really focus their attention?