Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
Discussion
borcy said:
That's a large deal indeed. Strange that the pivot is so rapid and so emphatic after so much time, but it's what others need to see. pinchmeimdreamin said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
borcy said:
Time to put on my stripey shirt and berret.Peter Zeihan explains in his last vid why France might be taking the lead here. At first view I thought he'd gone over the top. Now I'm less sure.
hidetheelephants said:
All those keenly waiting for their Rafale orders to arrive will hope he's not being literal.
Is there an actual source for this info beyond Twitter? I assume the French defence industry will be pumping out kittens, especially since Ukraine is skint.
Presumably there's a watered down reality somewhere in there.
https://www.france24.com/en/video/20240327-france-...
Little bit more info, not quite as dramatic as the previous link. However it does seem to signal a big change for france.
Little bit more info, not quite as dramatic as the previous link. However it does seem to signal a big change for france.
borcy said:
https://www.france24.com/en/video/20240327-france-...
Little bit more info, not quite as dramatic as the previous link. However it does seem to signal a big change for france.
Sounds a bit like UK emergency powers legislation; it can give considerable summary power to ministers but talking about it is a long way from declaring it and commandeering factories.Little bit more info, not quite as dramatic as the previous link. However it does seem to signal a big change for france.
youngsyr said:
How else would you describe someone unknowingly killing someone after finding and retrieving a disguised but deadly weapon in a bin?
The Russians thought they'd adequately disposed of it, they were wrong. It was certainly negligent and illegal, but it was still accidental.
And that £60bn is not man maths, it was a direct response to the unaffordable energy prices as a result of the sanctions we imposed on Russia after their invasion of Ukraine. If Russia had pulled out after 3 days they would have been lifted. So how are they not a cost to us in support if Ukraine?
Honestly, the victims in the Ukraine don't factor into my calculation. The sad fact is that raping and murdering is a part of being human, we've been doing it for thousands of years, probably over a hundred thousand years. We ignore it everywhere else it is happening in the world, why is the Ukraine different?
And as above, it's not our responsibility to sort out everyone else's problems, nor are we even capable of it.
People need to wake up to the reality of 21st century Britain. It is not the 19th century anymore, no matter how much you think it is.
That's quite a response.The Russians thought they'd adequately disposed of it, they were wrong. It was certainly negligent and illegal, but it was still accidental.
And that £60bn is not man maths, it was a direct response to the unaffordable energy prices as a result of the sanctions we imposed on Russia after their invasion of Ukraine. If Russia had pulled out after 3 days they would have been lifted. So how are they not a cost to us in support if Ukraine?
Honestly, the victims in the Ukraine don't factor into my calculation. The sad fact is that raping and murdering is a part of being human, we've been doing it for thousands of years, probably over a hundred thousand years. We ignore it everywhere else it is happening in the world, why is the Ukraine different?
And as above, it's not our responsibility to sort out everyone else's problems, nor are we even capable of it.
People need to wake up to the reality of 21st century Britain. It is not the 19th century anymore, no matter how much you think it is.
Re accident, I would describe it as being akin to a drunk driver doing 90 in a 30 and killing a child. It's not an accident as it wouldn't have happened if the driver wasn't drunk, doing 90 in a 30.
For somebody who is hot on assumptions, assuming that sanctions would have been lifted had Russia captured Ukraine in 3 days is quite a big one to hang your argument on.
Your final point speaks volumes, so I'll let that stand in this quote.
hidetheelephants said:
You want isolationism. You're s
t out of luck as there are no political parties likely to form the next UK govt espousing it or anything like it, against form there is political consensus on supporting Ukraine.
So you found a dictionary and have abandoned your accusations of me making libertarian arguments then?t out of luck as there are no political parties likely to form the next UK govt espousing it or anything like it, against form there is political consensus on supporting Ukraine.Right oh, onto your next brain fart: I don't expect any current UK party to be capable of running a bath, let alone a coherent foreign policy.
ben5575 said:
youngsyr said:
How else would you describe someone unknowingly killing someone after finding and retrieving a disguised but deadly weapon in a bin?
The Russians thought they'd adequately disposed of it, they were wrong. It was certainly negligent and illegal, but it was still accidental.
And that £60bn is not man maths, it was a direct response to the unaffordable energy prices as a result of the sanctions we imposed on Russia after their invasion of Ukraine. If Russia had pulled out after 3 days they would have been lifted. So how are they not a cost to us in support if Ukraine?
Honestly, the victims in the Ukraine don't factor into my calculation. The sad fact is that raping and murdering is a part of being human, we've been doing it for thousands of years, probably over a hundred thousand years. We ignore it everywhere else it is happening in the world, why is the Ukraine different?
And as above, it's not our responsibility to sort out everyone else's problems, nor are we even capable of it.
People need to wake up to the reality of 21st century Britain. It is not the 19th century anymore, no matter how much you think it is.
That's quite a response.The Russians thought they'd adequately disposed of it, they were wrong. It was certainly negligent and illegal, but it was still accidental.
And that £60bn is not man maths, it was a direct response to the unaffordable energy prices as a result of the sanctions we imposed on Russia after their invasion of Ukraine. If Russia had pulled out after 3 days they would have been lifted. So how are they not a cost to us in support if Ukraine?
Honestly, the victims in the Ukraine don't factor into my calculation. The sad fact is that raping and murdering is a part of being human, we've been doing it for thousands of years, probably over a hundred thousand years. We ignore it everywhere else it is happening in the world, why is the Ukraine different?
And as above, it's not our responsibility to sort out everyone else's problems, nor are we even capable of it.
People need to wake up to the reality of 21st century Britain. It is not the 19th century anymore, no matter how much you think it is.
Re accident, I would describe it as being akin to a drunk driver doing 90 in a 30 and killing a child. It's not an accident as it wouldn't have happened if the driver wasn't drunk, doing 90 in a 30.
For somebody who is hot on assumptions, assuming that sanctions would have been lifted had Russia captured Ukraine in 3 days is quite a big one to hang your argument on.
Your final point speaks volumes, so I'll let that stand in this quote.
youngsyr said:
And that £60bn is not man maths, it was a direct response to the unaffordable energy prices as a result of the sanctions we imposed on Russia after their invasion of Ukraine. If Russia had pulled out after 3 days they would have been lifted. So how are they not a cost to us in support if Ukraine?
HTHben5575 said:
youngsyr said:
And that £60bn is not man maths, it was a direct response to the unaffordable energy prices as a result of the sanctions we imposed on Russia after their invasion of Ukraine. If Russia had pulled out after 3 days they would have been lifted. So how are they not a cost to us in support if Ukraine?
HTHMOTORVATOR said:
youngsyr said:
"We" don't need to do anything.
See how it works?
Forgive me for pointing out the bleedin’ obvious to you here but UK / FRA / USA / CH have a totally different (higher) responsibility in all of this than EU or NATO.See how it works?
youngsyr said:
ben5575 said:
There's an assumption in your statement.
No, there isn't. You've created one. I never said anything about capturing Ukraine. I specifically said "pulled out after 3 days".
There is no implication of capturing there. You created it.
'If Russia had pulled out after 3 days they would have been lifted'
^^^ there's your assumption.
Video here of why the French need to get one over on Russia. I can see why African nations want France out but turning to Russia will have its own consequences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiD24uEvY1U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiD24uEvY1U
ben5575 said:
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Presumably the people that have been massacred, raped, tortured and stolen in/from Ukraine don't factor into your value calculation either?
Distateful or not to acknowledge, people being massacred, raped, tortured and stolen have not particularly ever figured into geopolitical calculations either apart from their use in highlighting how evil the bad guys are if public support is required but otherwise ignored when it suits 'us' so arguably that's just the reality of the human nature.......Presumably the people that have been massacred, raped, tortured and stolen in/from Ukraine don't factor into your value calculation either?
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