Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
Discussion
Cheib said:
First of many. There will be hundreds/thousands charged with war crimes but the time this is over.
Silly Russians . . . if only they’d done what the Americans did in 2002 and pass an equivalent American Service-Members’ Protection Act they’d have authorised themselves to invade the Netherlands . . .ScotHill said:
I’ve not followed any of this at all but - if Putin had become ill and died of natural causes a number of years ago, would any of this happened? Or is there a cabal of similar mentalists who would have gone down the same path?
According to Vlad Vexler, no. Nobody else in Russia leadership/elites would have done this.There will be no shortage of people who would be morally happy to militarily take territory, but actually taking a risk on this scale took Putin + the inability of people to tell him the straight truth + Putin's isolation.
Some detail on the flaws in Russian fixed defences:
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/163645041...
aeropilot said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
J4CKO said:
Suppose Putin actually managed to take Ukraine, then guess Moldova and whatever ex Soviet states would be next, what then ?
All highly hypothetical, would he then want to take other countries, take on NATO etc etc ?
Vlad Vexler reckons if it had gone well a small NATO country would have been next. (After Moldova etc)All highly hypothetical, would he then want to take other countries, take on NATO etc etc ?
However, getting all of Ukraine had the 3 day Special Operation been successful, would have opened up a further, and possibly more likely scenario.
Hungary and Serbia are at the moment more Kremlin leaning than EU/NATO despite being in NATO, and Hungary have a land border with Ukraine in the north and Serbia in the south.....
So I think the danger would have been its success making it much easier for Hungary and maybe Serbia to switch sides again and leave NATO and rejoin Russian Fed, without Russia actually attacking these NATO countries. It would only need Montenegro to do the same, and Russia would then have access to the Adriatic again....and cutting NATO in two.
I think he would do what he could to mop up non NATO countries first.
He wouldn't then directly invade non NATO nations but he would look to sow discord and mess with their politics and try and use that pressure to create something to exploit.
Hereward said:
Puggit said:
International arrest warrant issued for Putler: https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/16367520...
I wonder if the Putin fanboys have the self-awareness, humility and introspection to consider that supporting a dictator who now has an ICC arrest warrant against their name may not be the right path to take. But I suspect they are already so far gone it's too late.
We know it's bad for the Ukrainians too
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/17/...
It's a pity he can't speak freely on this matter without being hounded out but I also understand the general staff's stance
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/17/...
It's a pity he can't speak freely on this matter without being hounded out but I also understand the general staff's stance
loafer123 said:
Hereward said:
Puggit said:
International arrest warrant issued for Putler: https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/16367520...
I wonder if the Putin fanboys have the self-awareness, humility and introspection to consider that supporting a dictator who now has an ICC arrest warrant against their name may not be the right path to take. But I suspect they are already so far gone it's too late.aeropilot said:
65 years ago.....
Design work began on it in 1958, and the first A-12 flew in 1962.
Still amazes me what Kelly Johnson did with some slide rules.Design work began on it in 1958, and the first A-12 flew in 1962.
Even more so when you consider,
Was about 60 odd years old when the SR71 first flew.
Still not as great an achievement as Concorde.
Edited by nikaiyo2 on Friday 17th March 19:23
Iamnotkloot said:
It's a pity he can't speak freely on this matter without being hounded out but I also understand the general staff's stance
Maybe there's more of a balance to be had. I wonder whether he voiced these shortcomings to the leadership prior to this and whether anything was done about it. Since he's gone public, I will guess not. I've been banned from the Colonel Cassad telegram channel.
Cold logic and fact.
I pointed out Putin's reasons have changed. That Russia was under no threat and still isn't. The existential threat was only mentioned by Putin once the war went wrong. It felt quite good saying "Even Russians can't say what the objective of this war are" and find literally nobody comes back and say "Ahhh, once we do X we gain Y.". They know no more than us - and they're dying.
If there were any doubt who is right or wrong, deleting posts says it all.
Cold logic and fact.
I pointed out Putin's reasons have changed. That Russia was under no threat and still isn't. The existential threat was only mentioned by Putin once the war went wrong. It felt quite good saying "Even Russians can't say what the objective of this war are" and find literally nobody comes back and say "Ahhh, once we do X we gain Y.". They know no more than us - and they're dying.
If there were any doubt who is right or wrong, deleting posts says it all.
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Friday 17th March 19:54
pquinn said:
Mr Dendrite said:
At 51000ft it must be pushing it to get an SU27 above it?
Not when the service ceiling of an SU27 starts with a 6, just like a lot of similar jets.At 60,000 feet the difference between indicated airspeed (what the airframe feels) and true airspeed is a factor of 3.75.
Ergo an aircraft flying at the speed of sound will handle like it's at 180mph at sea level so at about stall speed without the flaps down.
Also at Mach 1 the aircraft is right in the pit of transonic drag so you would actually want to fly at 1.2 Mach or above which means afterburners lit.
So to intercept a drone you are looking needing to be lightly loaded, external tanks dropped and a 600mph speed difference between the drone and the fighter.
Shooting it down shouldn't be difficult but harassing it would be very difficult.
Ayahuasca said:
The CNN map of the drone incident puts it in the bottom left hand quadrant of the Black Sea, at the latitude of Bulgaria. That puts it on the flight path between Dubai and Europe, where scores of airliners fly daily. Just a thought.
Not just Dubai. 99.9% of the traffic from Europe going east of Saudi, passes through that corridor. I flew that way recently going to Japan. It's a scarily narrow spot to concentrate so much activity. Look at it closely, and it can be seen that all of those flight paths rely on a 100-150 mile corridor over the very stable and secure countries of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Bounded by Russia to the north and Iran to the south.aeropilot said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
J4CKO said:
Suppose Putin actually managed to take Ukraine, then guess Moldova and whatever ex Soviet states would be next, what then ?
All highly hypothetical, would he then want to take other countries, take on NATO etc etc ?
Vlad Vexler reckons if it had gone well a small NATO country would have been next. (After Moldova etc)All highly hypothetical, would he then want to take other countries, take on NATO etc etc ?
However, getting all of Ukraine had the 3 day Special Operation been successful, would have opened up a further, and possibly more likely scenario.
Hungary and Serbia are at the moment more Kremlin leaning than EU/NATO despite being in NATO, and Hungary have a land border with Ukraine in the north and Serbia in the south.....
So I think the danger would have been its success making it much easier for Hungary and maybe Serbia to switch sides again and leave NATO and rejoin Russian Fed, without Russia actually attacking these NATO countries. It would only need Montenegro to do the same, and Russia would then have access to the Adriatic again....and cutting NATO in two.
After this stage it's possible Hungary could turn towards Russia but they would need to leave the EU and NATO, Serbia would have been easily convinced to join this new USSR.
I don't think the general population understand Putin's obsession with the Soviet Union and how close we came to having Europe torn in half. Not by attacking a NATO country but by creating a viable alternative to the EU, and for the older generation in Moldova, Belarus etc they had a good life during the Soviet Union.
Iamnotkloot said:
We know it's bad for the Ukrainians too
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/17/...
It's a pity he can't speak freely on this matter without being hounded out but I also understand the general staff's stance
There’s been.a bit of coverage recently about how thought things have been for Ukraine recently, whilst the Russians are losiing hundreds of men a day the ratio of Ukranian losses has apparently been increasing. Ukraine has undoubtedly lost a huge amount of its armed forces that were in place a year ago, that is pretty obvious. For a flavour of how things are an interview with an analyst who was in Bakhmut a couple of weeks agohttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/17/...
It's a pity he can't speak freely on this matter without being hounded out but I also understand the general staff's stance
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-battle-o...
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