Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
Discussion
WCZ said:
RichFN2 said:
I thought we were taking the piss about the body double but the real Putin is just so odd, twitching and jerking all over the place. If a friend of mine behaved like that I would be concerned they were having a stroke.
The Putin who drove in occupied Ukraine was as cool as a cucumber, relaxed when driving and calm when talking to random strangers with proper eye contact etc. He also didn't look like a hungover cabbage patch kid
I rarely buy into any conspiracies but it did catch my eye on the video that his skin doesn't seem to blend at all from his neck to face and looks like a deepfake The Putin who drove in occupied Ukraine was as cool as a cucumber, relaxed when driving and calm when talking to random strangers with proper eye contact etc. He also didn't look like a hungover cabbage patch kid
There was a good reason why Monty's double was in Gibraltar and North Africa. The real Monty was busy preparing the Normandy landings, and we wanted to avert the enemy's gaze.
There was no reason for Putin to say the he was in Mariupol, and not to actually be there - unless he was scared.
It will be interesting how they spin this, if the evidence become undeniable.
pingu393 said:
How would the Russian population react if they found out it was a deep fake? Would it be "look how clever we are"? Would they look at the original footage and say "this new footage is fake"?
There was a good reason why Monty's double was in Gibraltar and North Africa. The real Monty was busy preparing the Normandy landings, and we wanted to avert the enemy's gaze.
There was no reason for Putin to say the he was in Mariupol, and not to actually be there - unless he was scared.
It will be interesting how they spin this, if the evidence become undeniable.
I don’t particularly believe there are numerous Putin clones. There was a good reason why Monty's double was in Gibraltar and North Africa. The real Monty was busy preparing the Normandy landings, and we wanted to avert the enemy's gaze.
There was no reason for Putin to say the he was in Mariupol, and not to actually be there - unless he was scared.
It will be interesting how they spin this, if the evidence become undeniable.
Have we got the same woman again? just dyed her hair? 
https://www.newsweek.com/speculation-swirls-putin-...
Looks like they found other people this time
https://www.newsweek.com/speculation-swirls-putin-...
Looks like they found other people this time
Ambassador says Australia should 'stop arming Ukraine'
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-20/russia-amba...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-20/russia-amba...
TTmonkey said:
I don’t particularly believe there are numerous Putin clones.
Me neither. Vlad Vexler reckons he has clones for distance work but not for close ups of his face, that perhaps rings true.A quick Google suggests few leaders in 21st/20th Century have used doubles. Not sure how useful they really are.
TTmonkey said:
pingu393 said:
How would the Russian population react if they found out it was a deep fake? Would it be "look how clever we are"? Would they look at the original footage and say "this new footage is fake"?
There was a good reason why Monty's double was in Gibraltar and North Africa. The real Monty was busy preparing the Normandy landings, and we wanted to avert the enemy's gaze.
There was no reason for Putin to say the he was in Mariupol, and not to actually be there - unless he was scared.
It will be interesting how they spin this, if the evidence become undeniable.
I don’t particularly believe there are numerous Putin clones. There was a good reason why Monty's double was in Gibraltar and North Africa. The real Monty was busy preparing the Normandy landings, and we wanted to avert the enemy's gaze.
There was no reason for Putin to say the he was in Mariupol, and not to actually be there - unless he was scared.
It will be interesting how they spin this, if the evidence become undeniable.
And then all of a sudden he looked normal again, and then all puffy again....
I'm sure the puffy ill looking version is the clone, as a result of the plastic surgery, and the 'normal' looking one is the real Pootin.
History repeating art, where's 007 when we need him - https://youtu.be/f5UVTCsqFdk?t=94
vaud said:
pingu393 said:
How would the Russian population react if they found out it was a deep fake? Would it be "look how clever we are"? Would they look at the original footage and say "this new footage is fake"?
Don't think they can easily analyse beyond the endless propaganda.
k, or even think it wasn't normal for every dictator to have one.aeropilot said:
vaud said:
pingu393 said:
How would the Russian population react if they found out it was a deep fake? Would it be "look how clever we are"? Would they look at the original footage and say "this new footage is fake"?
Don't think they can easily analyse beyond the endless propaganda.k, or even think it wasn't normal for every dictator to have one.Jhonno said:
NATO head claiming Putin asking Xi for lethal weapons during their current bum chum visit..
I'd be shocked if he wasn't asking Xi for arms and ammo, UAV's and all sorts of stuff......What the west is wondering about is what will Xi's answer be.
Or how much does China think they can covertly send over if they try and do it that way. Of course as soon as the first Chinese supplied bit of kit is captured by Ukraine, then that whistle will be blown if China chooses that path to take.
aeropilot said:
Jhonno said:
NATO head claiming Putin asking Xi for lethal weapons during their current bum chum visit..
I'd be shocked if he wasn't asking Xi for arms and ammo, UAV's and all sorts of stuff......What the west is wondering about is what will Xi's answer be.
Or how much does China think they can covertly send over if they try and do it that way. Of course as soon as the first Chinese supplied bit of kit is captured by Ukraine, then that whistle will be blown if China chooses that path to take.
t from China" the developed world actually needs. It turns out, of late, even demand for the not so cheap stuff, like iPhones, is fairly elastic. Throw in a few hefty, punitive trade tariffs and augment that with the goodwill and moral support of consumers who don't want to buy from a China that arms Russia and what would you have left?Production, large scale, can't switch locations fast, but consumers can switch allegiance and demand almost instantly. I wonder if Xi appreciates this problem?
If you look at the 12-point plan published on the chinese govt's website, it sounds relatively balanced. There's a couple of digs at the west, but overall they empahsise de-escalation, negotiation, no nukes, and re-establishing trade.
China is out for China, they don't much care for Russia beyond trade.
China is out for China, they don't much care for Russia beyond trade.
Digga said:
It's questionable just how much of the "cheap st from China" the developed world actually needs. It turns out, of late, even demand for the not so cheap stuff, like iPhones, is fairly elastic. Throw in a few hefty, punitive trade tariffs and augment that with the goodwill and moral support of consumers who don't want to buy from a China that arms Russia and what would you have left?
Production, large scale, can't switch locations fast, but consumers can switch allegiance and demand almost instantly. I wonder if Xi appreciates this problem?
I don't think they probably care too much about the cheap tat, and as you say, consumers, if they choose can and might look elsewhere.t from China" the developed world actually needs. It turns out, of late, even demand for the not so cheap stuff, like iPhones, is fairly elastic. Throw in a few hefty, punitive trade tariffs and augment that with the goodwill and moral support of consumers who don't want to buy from a China that arms Russia and what would you have left?Production, large scale, can't switch locations fast, but consumers can switch allegiance and demand almost instantly. I wonder if Xi appreciates this problem?
Its the bigger production stuff that is the money earner. There was a documentary on TV the other day about the new London Gateway docks build, and the huge dockside cranes for it came from China, and its stuff like that which won't be so easily sourced elsewhere, or as cheaply.
If Xi thinks he can have Pootin in his pocket would he feel that the future Russian market for Chinese stuff could replace the western demand should that disappear as a result of Chinese support to Russia against Ukraine?
I suspect not, and I suspect, China will agree via backdoor methods with as much plausible deniability, or they decline Pootin's request...and do what China does best, and sit on the fence and pick up the pieces down the road, when Pootin is even more desperate.
Digga said:
Production, large scale, can't switch locations fast, but consumers can switch allegiance and demand almost instantly. I wonder if Xi appreciates this problem?
Our company moved a massive factory from China to Taiwan in 9 months when the new US taxes came in. (That's 9 months from the announcement of the tariffs to seamlessly functioning.)Pretty sure Xi fully appreciates it.
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