Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[cptsideways]

BikeBikeBIke said:

gotoPzero said:

These drone boats are some next level stuff. They are fast, really fast and can turn really well too.
I was expecting chug, chug, chug type of thing that potters along at 10 kts but the latest video these things are *flying* along and getting good air over waves. One of them makes an S turn and given its carrying quite a heavy cargo it certainly is not a hindrance and moves really well.

No wonder the Russians were spraying the harbour with AA guns trying to get a hit.

Should be a real concern to any nation that had just spaffed it's entire defence budget on two really good ships. Oh... Wait....

I assume these are based on jetski tech. Simple to reuse existing j hardware some are 400bhp out of the box! I00mph with a passenger normally.

[98elise]

pinchmeimdreamin said:

eharding said:

I see they've cut out the bits of the video where the CIWS is just jerking left and right like R2D2 with the horn doing the Hokey Cokey, and 98elise stood there smacking the gubbins in the back of it with a large wrench and shouting "Work, you bd".

How dare you !!

He stroked it gently and whispered sweet nothings ( with a big hammer )

I take pride in my work...



That's the bottom half of a Phalanx mount under my care

[eharding]

98elise said:

pinchmeimdreamin said:

eharding said:

I see they've cut out the bits of the video where the CIWS is just jerking left and right like R2D2 with the horn doing the Hokey Cokey, and 98elise stood there smacking the gubbins in the back of it with a large wrench and shouting "Work, you bd".

How dare you !!

He stroked it gently and whispered sweet nothings ( with a big hammer )

I take pride in my work...



That's the bottom half of a Phalanx mount under my care

I was clearly mistaken, there manifestly wasn't any use of a wrench. Those are obviously impact marks from a lump hammer.

[dudleybloke]

Percussive reasoning is an art form.

[gazza285]

eharding said:

I was clearly mistaken, there manifestly wasn't any use of a wrench. Those are obviously impact marks from a lump hammer.

18” adjustable hammer…

[Steve vRS]

gazza285 said:

eharding said:

I was clearly mistaken, there manifestly wasn't any use of a wrench. Those are obviously impact marks from a lump hammer.

18” adjustable hammer…

I use those for rounding the flats off bolts.

[spookly]

cptsideways said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

gotoPzero said:

These drone boats are some next level stuff. They are fast, really fast and can turn really well too.
I was expecting chug, chug, chug type of thing that potters along at 10 kts but the latest video these things are *flying* along and getting good air over waves. One of them makes an S turn and given its carrying quite a heavy cargo it certainly is not a hindrance and moves really well.

No wonder the Russians were spraying the harbour with AA guns trying to get a hit.

Should be a real concern to any nation that had just spaffed it's entire defence budget on two really good ships. Oh... Wait....

I assume these are based on jetski tech. Simple to reuse existing j hardware some are 400bhp out of the box! I00mph with a passenger normally.

Eh? Most are well below 400bhp. And well below 100mph on water.
Seadoo's current range topper is 300hp. And top speed is more like about 67mph.

Wouldn't be surprised to see pump jet propulsion, but unlikely they'd use a 300hp+ engine as it would have useless range. Same as the 300hp jet skis.
An RXT 300 will do less than 60 miles WOT. Or about a maximum of 100 miles cruising speed.

[CrutyRammers]

spookly said:

cptsideways said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

gotoPzero said:

These drone boats are some next level stuff. They are fast, really fast and can turn really well too.
I was expecting chug, chug, chug type of thing that potters along at 10 kts but the latest video these things are *flying* along and getting good air over waves. One of them makes an S turn and given its carrying quite a heavy cargo it certainly is not a hindrance and moves really well.

No wonder the Russians were spraying the harbour with AA guns trying to get a hit.

Should be a real concern to any nation that had just spaffed it's entire defence budget on two really good ships. Oh... Wait....

I assume these are based on jetski tech. Simple to reuse existing j hardware some are 400bhp out of the box! I00mph with a passenger normally.

Eh? Most are well below 400bhp. And well below 100mph on water.
Seadoo's current range topper is 300hp. And top speed is more like about 67mph.

Wouldn't be surprised to see pump jet propulsion, but unlikely they'd use a 300hp+ engine as it would have useless range. Same as the 300hp jet skis.
An RXT 300 will do less than 60 miles WOT. Or about a maximum of 100 miles cruising speed.

And the range is the point. You don't go putting your aircraft carriers in range of shore based fast attack stuff, they're blue water ships, which project power hundreds of miles using their aircraft. And are protected with lots of other, smaller ships.

[aeropilot]

China's Xi didn't wait long after getting back from Moscow to start sticking the knife in

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-central-asia...

[BikeBikeBIke]

CrutyRammers said:

spookly said:

cptsideways said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

gotoPzero said:

These drone boats are some next level stuff. They are fast, really fast and can turn really well too.
I was expecting chug, chug, chug type of thing that potters along at 10 kts but the latest video these things are *flying* along and getting good air over waves. One of them makes an S turn and given its carrying quite a heavy cargo it certainly is not a hindrance and moves really well.

No wonder the Russians were spraying the harbour with AA guns trying to get a hit.

Should be a real concern to any nation that had just spaffed it's entire defence budget on two really good ships. Oh... Wait....

I assume these are based on jetski tech. Simple to reuse existing j hardware some are 400bhp out of the box! I00mph with a passenger normally.

Eh? Most are well below 400bhp. And well below 100mph on water.
Seadoo's current range topper is 300hp. And top speed is more like about 67mph.

Wouldn't be surprised to see pump jet propulsion, but unlikely they'd use a 300hp+ engine as it would have useless range. Same as the 300hp jet skis.
An RXT 300 will do less than 60 miles WOT. Or about a maximum of 100 miles cruising speed.

And the range is the point. You don't go putting your aircraft carriers in range of shore based fast attack stuff, they're blue water ships, which project power hundreds of miles using their aircraft. And are protected with lots of other, smaller ships.

I take your point, but they moor them up in Portsmouth 100m away from 30,000 leisure boats with one plastic police launch waving people away.

Maybe if a boat got 50m away it would be blasted to pieces, but I'm not convinced.

(My original comment was a joke BTW, I wasn't really intending to start a serious debate on the vulnerability of shipping. Apart from anything else I'm pretty sure Russia's ships are not typical of marine defence. Apparently 5 separate systems on the Moskva would have needed to be off/broken for a missile to hit it.))

[98elise]

BikeBikeBIke said:

CrutyRammers said:

spookly said:

cptsideways said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

gotoPzero said:

These drone boats are some next level stuff. They are fast, really fast and can turn really well too.
I was expecting chug, chug, chug type of thing that potters along at 10 kts but the latest video these things are *flying* along and getting good air over waves. One of them makes an S turn and given its carrying quite a heavy cargo it certainly is not a hindrance and moves really well.

No wonder the Russians were spraying the harbour with AA guns trying to get a hit.

Should be a real concern to any nation that had just spaffed it's entire defence budget on two really good ships. Oh... Wait....

I assume these are based on jetski tech. Simple to reuse existing j hardware some are 400bhp out of the box! I00mph with a passenger normally.

Eh? Most are well below 400bhp. And well below 100mph on water.
Seadoo's current range topper is 300hp. And top speed is more like about 67mph.

Wouldn't be surprised to see pump jet propulsion, but unlikely they'd use a 300hp+ engine as it would have useless range. Same as the 300hp jet skis.
An RXT 300 will do less than 60 miles WOT. Or about a maximum of 100 miles cruising speed.

And the range is the point. You don't go putting your aircraft carriers in range of shore based fast attack stuff, they're blue water ships, which project power hundreds of miles using their aircraft. And are protected with lots of other, smaller ships.

I take your point, but they moor them up in Portsmouth 100m away from 30,000 leisure boats with one plastic police launch waving people away.

Maybe if a boat got 50m away it would be blasted to pieces, but I'm not convinced.

(My original comment was a joke BTW, I wasn't really intending to start a serious debate on the vulnerability of shipping. Apart from anything else I'm pretty sure Russia's ships are not typical of marine defence. Apparently 5 separate systems on the Moskva would have needed to be off/broken for a missile to hit it.))

When we are at war they won't be moored up in Portsmouth.

Not sure what you mean by 5 seperate systems for the Moskva. Like most ships they had a layered defence, including 6 automated CIWS turrets. Its likely they didn't detect the missiles so didn't bring them on line.

For obvious reasons you don't have them set to auto all the time, it's a decision taken when a threat is seen.

Those particular mounts are not that great against missiles though.

Edited by 98elise on Saturday 25th March 22:17

[Cheib]

bloomen said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

I didn't see that coming. James Vasquez isn't quite what he said he was and Ripley's Heroes have, at least, got their paperwork wrong:

I'm amazed Ukraine attracted one sane foreigner with genuine experience who are who they claimed to be.

Kudos to those who are.

This is a good interview with a former Green Beret who spent ten months in Ukraine…clearly his claims may be false but he had some interesting things to say. He said a fellow American he was fighting with had a significant shrapnel injury to his eye/brain. He tried to get him treated in a US Military hospital in Germany…but they refused. US sees too much risk of accusations of having “boots on the ground” if they treat/support injured ex US service men. This hospital is treating Ukranian wounded.

He mentions as does the NYT article that things are stallling for the Foreigh Legion…he has returned to the US “to get on with his life” as have quite a lot of the original volunteers…and there isn’t a stream of men wanting to replace them.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/geopolitics-...

[anonymous-user]

aeropilot said:

China's Xi didn't wait long after getting back from Moscow to start sticking the knife in

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-central-asia...

Is it wrong to read this as discussions with Russia didnt go the way Russia wanted?

[BikeBikeBIke]

pablo said:

aeropilot said:

China's Xi didn't wait long after getting back from Moscow to start sticking the knife in

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-central-asia...

Is it wrong to read this as discussions with Russia didnt go the way Russia wanted?

How did I miss this? Thanks Aeropilot.

[M1AGM]

Has this been mentioned here:

Putin: Russia to station nuclear weapons in Belarus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65077687

[numtumfutunch]

M1AGM said:

Has this been mentioned here:

Putin: Russia to station nuclear weapons in Belarus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65077687

Strong 'wotevs' from me as from the start of the conflct/war/SMO Putin has *probably* had some nukes available to chuck at Ukraine from all over the place so what difference does this make? Assuming they work that is......

Cheers

[Digga]

dudleybloke said:

Percussive reasoning is an art form.

Gi’it some ommer! As they say in your neck of the woods.

[ClaphamGT3]

numtumfutunch said:

M1AGM said:

Has this been mentioned here:

Putin: Russia to station nuclear weapons in Belarus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65077687

Strong 'wotevs' from me as from the start of the conflct/war/SMO Putin has *probably* had some nukes available to chuck at Ukraine from all over the place so what difference does this make? Assuming they work that is......

Cheers

Underwrites the strong leader protecting the nation from attack narrative domestically, keeps nuclear capability in the minds of NATO and other Ukraine supporting nations, and aims to further intimidate Ukraine in advance of any spring offensive.

Highly irresponsible and escalatory but sadly not unexpected in the Russian playbook

[gazza285]

ClaphamGT3 said:

numtumfutunch said:

M1AGM said:

Has this been mentioned here:

Putin: Russia to station nuclear weapons in Belarus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65077687

Strong 'wotevs' from me as from the start of the conflct/war/SMO Putin has *probably* had some nukes available to chuck at Ukraine from all over the place so what difference does this make? Assuming they work that is......

Cheers

Underwrites the strong leader protecting the nation from attack narrative domestically, keeps nuclear capability in the minds of NATO and other Ukraine supporting nations, and aims to further intimidate Ukraine in advance of any spring offensive.

Highly irresponsible and escalatory but sadly not unexpected in the Russian playbook

It’s like watching a bare knuckle boxer spouting off on YouTube.

[Jimmm]

M1AGM said:

Has this been mentioned here:

Putin: Russia to station nuclear weapons in Belarus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65077687

They already have nukes in Kaliningrad so this makes no difference. Just more nuclear posturing from Vladolf.