Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
Discussion
king arthur said:
Things might be kicking off in Georgia. Usually this would precipitate Russian "peace keeping" forces to quell the unrest by beating up the protesters and disappearing the leaders, but....there are no Russian forces spare to do that this time.
Sounds like it's the Georgian Dream party vs almost everyone else including the president.How did they end up this way?
Dan_The_Man said:
Latest 7 min video of Russian infantry walking along a treeline in Stepove, Avdiivka, won't post a link but the body count is insane. Videos like that should be shown around the world to show the insanity and waste of human life that is war. Comments suggest they are stepping over about 97 corpses in just a few hundred metres...
Widely reported as being Russian casualties, but the only signs of any ID flashes appear to be in Ukraine colours, plus the commentator says it is a Ukrainian defence line (or so I've read).Desperate scenes either way.
king arthur said:
Things might be kicking off in Georgia. Usually this would precipitate Russian "peace keeping" forces to quell the unrest by beating up the protesters and disappearing the leaders, but....there are no Russian forces spare to do that this time.
They're protesting over the same type of thing the Slovaks have been protesting about; A foreign agent bill. Although the Slovaks have been more grumpy about the Freedom of Journalism which the government want to curtail.daveco said:
At some point China will just take land which they always deemed theirs anyway, likely after Putin is ousted.
Before this war any Russian would have told you Russia's greatest threat was internal Militant Islam and their second greatest threat was China.The fact they've had to pretend 'The West' is a threat to them hasn't made the real threats go away.
Russia has some trophies on display:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
BrettMRC said:
Russia has some trophies on display:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
Love how they've painted American/British/German flags on the kit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
Also "Victory is inevitable" but they don't know what the definition of Victory is.
So after two years, around 300k KIA, probably the same wounded, more than half of the Black Sea fleet repurposed as submarines, most of your modern AFVs and IFVs burnt out wrecks with their turrets in the nearby oblast, you've had to go cap in hand to North Korea and Iran for munitions...
...a dozen captured vehicles, look two tanks and an artillery piece and over here are some of the new weaponry that we daren't send into theatre because it doesn't work properly like the T-14 Armata and the SU-57.
Is this what "winning" looks like?
...a dozen captured vehicles, look two tanks and an artillery piece and over here are some of the new weaponry that we daren't send into theatre because it doesn't work properly like the T-14 Armata and the SU-57.
Is this what "winning" looks like?
BikeBikeBIke said:
BrettMRC said:
Russia has some trophies on display:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
Love how they've painted American/British/German flags on the kit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
Also "Victory is inevitable" but they don't know what the definition of Victory is.
BrettMRC said:
Russia has some trophies on display:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
Would be funny if it wasn't so sad. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
borcy said:
I wonder if this will be shown on the main Russian TV News this evening.borcy said:
What that doesn't show is the 1st one that went "PHUT" , so 25% failure rate, wonder if it's because they're old stock?Edited by sherbertdip on Wednesday 1st May 20:26
TGCOTF-dewey said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
BrettMRC said:
Russia has some trophies on display:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
Love how they've painted American/British/German flags on the kit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
Also "Victory is inevitable" but they don't know what the definition of Victory is.
sherbertdip said:
borcy said:
What that doesn't show is the 1st one that went "PHUT" , so 25% failure rate, wonder if it's because they're old stock?Edited by sherbertdip on Wednesday 1st May 20:26
The sheer spread and coverage of impact that footage shows is astonishing; must be horrendous experiencing it at the sharp end, to the extent anyone is left knowing anything about what’s just happened. Grim.
I’m assuming the individual payload delivery is somehow assignable/programmable as to how it targets/distributes? At least one seemed to deploy linearly in a long ribbon, whereas others were impacting more radially.
I’m assuming the individual payload delivery is somehow assignable/programmable as to how it targets/distributes? At least one seemed to deploy linearly in a long ribbon, whereas others were impacting more radially.
Different edit (maybe the full stream) here:
https://youtu.be/vUnX-2AbtK4?feature=shared
Given much of the surrounding land is obviously farmland in active cultivation, I wonder whether these attacks, albeit very focused, make it more or less likely the settled inhabitants of Crimea will embrace reunification with Ukraine, if ever possible?
Justified in terms of neutralising the sources of attacks from an invading aggressor but can’t imagine trying to eke a hard living with that going on around you…
https://youtu.be/vUnX-2AbtK4?feature=shared
Given much of the surrounding land is obviously farmland in active cultivation, I wonder whether these attacks, albeit very focused, make it more or less likely the settled inhabitants of Crimea will embrace reunification with Ukraine, if ever possible?
Justified in terms of neutralising the sources of attacks from an invading aggressor but can’t imagine trying to eke a hard living with that going on around you…
BikeBikeBIke said:
TGCOTF-dewey said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
BrettMRC said:
Russia has some trophies on display:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
Love how they've painted American/British/German flags on the kit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-6893433...
Not a huge amount though, and certainly nothing like the volume the Ukrainain farmers seemed to be helping themselves to in the first few months of the war!
Also "Victory is inevitable" but they don't know what the definition of Victory is.
About the only people who looked like they might have had a decent crack at things there in the last 2 centuries was the East India Coproration. However, the dissolution of the EIC in 1857 and other events leading up to and including WW1 put paid to that possiblility. They Khyber was not infamous without reason.
Pupp said:
The sheer spread and coverage of impact that footage shows is astonishing; must be horrendous experiencing it at the sharp end, to the extent anyone is left knowing anything about what’s just happened. Grim.
I’m assuming the individual payload delivery is somehow assignable/programmable as to how it targets/distributes? At least one seemed to deploy linearly in a long ribbon, whereas others were impacting more radially.
The cluster ATACMS have 900 “bomblets”, there’s another version which has a unitary warhead alongside 300 “bomblets and then there’s a version with just a “big bang” unitary warhead. Not sure which are short range and which long range.I’m assuming the individual payload delivery is somehow assignable/programmable as to how it targets/distributes? At least one seemed to deploy linearly in a long ribbon, whereas others were impacting more radially.
If Ukraine had enough of them to use them liberally for a few weeks you could imagine them making a massive dent in Russia’s capabilities.
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