Lee Anderson MP

[ZedLeg]

bad company said:

ZedLeg said:

Every election we have some fringe party picking up the dregs of the other ones and the same crowd will say it’s going to shake up politics. It never does, it’s a scam.

It’s a protest, not a scam. As I said earlier in the thread I’m a lifelong Conservative voter but will vote Reform this time due to dissatisfaction with the Government and our local MP.

Fringe parties can influence the mainstream parties policies. The Greens are a good example.

The problem with the parties backed by the likes of Tice and Aaron Banks is that all you’re voting for is a platform for a rich business man to have his views heard.

I guess it’s more honest than lobbying or being a quiet donor to the big parties.

[bad company]

ZedLeg said:

bad company said:

ZedLeg said:

Every election we have some fringe party picking up the dregs of the other ones and the same crowd will say it’s going to shake up politics. It never does, it’s a scam.

It’s a protest, not a scam. As I said earlier in the thread I’m a lifelong Conservative voter but will vote Reform this time due to dissatisfaction with the Government and our local MP.

Fringe parties can influence the mainstream parties policies. The Greens are a good example.

The problem with the parties backed by the likes of Tice and Aaron Banks is that all you’re voting for is a platform for a rich business man to have his views heard.

I guess it’s more honest than lobbying or being a quiet donor to the big parties.

I take your point and would prefer to have been able to vote conservative. Sadly we don’t seem to have a major right of centre party at the moment. We need a Margaret Thatcher but I can’t see anyone of her stature anywhere.

[greygoose]

bad company said:

I take your point and would prefer to have been able to vote conservative. Sadly we don’t seem to have a major right of centre party at the moment. We need a Margaret Thatcher but I can’t see anyone of her stature anywhere.

Liz Truss dresses up as her if that’s your thing…..

[reddiesel]

I admire Lee for saying what most Conservatives and indeed the wider Electorate think but sadly I don't believe its going to lead to mass defections . This has been the worst Conservative Government in living memory led by non entity after non entity and its been pitiful to watch . The fact that the Electorate have been let down I find really hard to bear . We must get back to the basic tenets of what a Conservative Government should stand for .

[reddiesel]

bad company said:

I take your point and would prefer to have been able to vote conservative. Sadly we don’t seem to have a major right of centre party at the moment. We need a Margaret Thatcher but I can’t see anyone of her stature anywhere.

There is a complete dearth of Political talent in this Country . Instead it seems we have been hijacked by self serving tokenist appointments promoted far outwith their capability . It doesn't necessarily need to be right of centre , it can be centrist making work pay and promoting traditional Conservative values

[bad company]

reddiesel said:

bad company said:

I take your point and would prefer to have been able to vote conservative. Sadly we don’t seem to have a major right of centre party at the moment. We need a Margaret Thatcher but I can’t see anyone of her stature anywhere.

There is a complete dearth of Political talent in this Country . Instead it seems we have been hijacked by self serving tokenist appointments promoted far outwith their capability . It doesn't necessarily need to be right of centre , it can be centrist making work pay and promoting traditional Conservative values

Agree.

[President Merkin]

reddiesel said:

I admire Lee for saying what most Conservatives and indeed the wider Electorate think .

You admire Lee Anderson for asserting Khan is controlled by Islamists? Really? You think that's a mainstream view in the country? Really?

[President Merkin]

Vanden Saab said:

. I know every politician lies to me in one way or another ... The only person lying to themselves is you by pretending reform are in any way different to any other political party.

You're retreating into cynicism in lieu of substantive points. I wish you would stop making my argument for me.

[bad company]

President Merkin said:

reddiesel said:

I admire Lee for saying what most Conservatives and indeed the wider Electorate think .

You admire Lee Anderson for asserting Khan is controlled by Islamists? Really? You think that's a mainstream view in the country? Really?

I’ll give my answer. I hate Khan & his policies, particularly his decision to ignore his own electorate opinion. I wouldn’t bring his religion into it though.

[ZedLeg]

That didn’t answer the question

[President Merkin]

You gave an answer, not the answer. Telling though that you say you hate Khan and his policies, clearly separating the two.

On a day when right wing racism is top of the news agenda (again), you don't half look like you just did a bit of a whoopsie.

[Hants PHer]

I'm going to confess to something that's rare for any poster in NP&E: I've changed my mind. Yes, you read that correctly, and I admit I was wrong about Lee Anderson..

When Anderson became an MP in 2019 I was initially rather taken by his bluntness and his direct style. I found it quite refreshing compared to the average politician who simply parrots whatever head office instructs. IIRC Anderson's views on our crazy response to Covid aligned with my own views.

However, the "pretend that you know me" video made me doubt Anderson's integrity. There were other daft things he said or tweeted, and then we had the remarks about Mayor Khan, which were just stupid. Now he's 'defected' (even though his dislike for Richard Tice is obvious) to a third party in a fairly short time.

I probably should have realised earlier than I have; my bad. I now regard Anderson as a rather dim but loud mouthed fool. A man of no loyalty and little integrity, whatever Tice might say.

[Vanden Saab]

President Merkin said:

You gave an answer, not the answer. Telling though that you say you hate Khan and his policies, clearly separating the two.

On a day when right wing racism is top of the news agenda (again), you don't half look like you just did a bit of a whoopsie.

Sorry what... how does that work. You really are going to have to explain that.

[President Merkin]

Mate, I've spent all day explaining things to you, to no avail. You reckon I should keep trying?

[crankedup5]

Sticks. said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Sticks. said:

tangerine_sedge said:

People are ready for a steady hand on the tiller, not more "moon on a stick" promises...

Is this a quote from Cameron just before the Brexit referendum?

I'm not sure a referendum on a single issue is quite the same as an election for a new government

But, notice that UKIP/Brexit party didn't translate their distributed voters into more than a couple of seats across any of the elections/by-elections they stood in. The similarity of all these parties is that they appeal to the same demographic each time, and each time fail to achieve very much at the ballot box. This time will be no different as much as a vocal minority here argue otherwise.

I hope so, but Brexit tells us not to assume people won't vote for a rabble rousing, self serving, lying fringe.

There's been a shift to the populist right in some parts of Europe which we though (and hoped) we'd never see.

The shift to the populist sector of politics comes as no surprise, mainstream politics has been ignoring a broad section of the electorate for years. Those disaffected electorate are now deciding to give the mainstream a wake up call. Ignoring the electorate only works for a period of time and that time has been almost reached. Sometimes rabble rousing awakes those asleep.

[bad company]

Vanden Saab said:

President Merkin said:

You gave an answer, not the answer. Telling though that you say you hate Khan and his policies, clearly separating the two.

On a day when right wing racism is top of the news agenda (again), you don't half look like you just did a bit of a whoopsie.

Sorry what... how does that work. You really are going to have to explain that.

I have no idea what he’s on about either. I said that I hated Khan & his policies. Clear enough I’d have thought.

[pb8g09]

For those that are keen to vote for Reform in an upcoming election, may I ask 3 genuine questions, because immigration seems to be the real key one for Reform content I've seen.

Why are you so keen for net zero immigration?
Do you think immigration hurts our economy?
Does it make you uneasy hearing foreign languages in a high street?

[bad company]

pb8g09 said:

For those that are keen to vote for Reform in an upcoming election, may I ask 3 genuine questions, because immigration seems to be the real key one for Reform content I've seen.

Why are you so keen for net zero immigration?
Do you think immigration hurts our economy?
Does it make you uneasy hearing foreign languages in a high street?

1. Because we’re an overcrowded island.

2. Not always, we clearly need some controlled immigration.

3. No. What an odd question!!

[pb8g09]

bad company said:

1. Because we’re an overcrowded island.

2. Not always, we clearly need some controlled immigration.

3. No. What an odd question!!

1. It's almost like we could have seen a generation of people that have already enjoyed their lives reduce that overcrowding but we were all locked up instead for 2 years... (tongue in cheek).
Do you mean overcrowded because we have a lack of sufficient homes? - surely that's just about building more?
Do you mean overcrowded because it's hard to get a job? More vacancies in the last 2 years than we've ever had since post war isn't it?
Do you mean overcrowded because of NHS waiting lists? - I thought that was related to staffing, because we have so many vacancies?

2. Do you think it's uncontrolled at the moment? What would make it more controlled that hasn't already happened?

3. I've heard many Reform commentators on GB News videos and also dialling into LBC complaining of this, that's why I'm asking. It always baffles me that someone can take great anger at hearing a foreign language on a bus.

[smn159]

bad company said:

1. Because we’re an overcrowded island.

Are we? Have you ever flown over the UK and looked out of the window?

We do have massively unequal land ownership and poorly funded and operated public services, presumably that's what you mean?