Lee Anderson MP

[President Merkin]

bad company said:

I have no idea what he’s on about either. I said that I hated Khan & his policies. Clear enough I’d have thought.

Maybe you're just a bit inarticulate or clumsy with your words but hating the Mayor's policy platform is one thing, that's just politics, hating the man is another. And you did split the two, singling out the man. I can only take you at your word & you used a particular form of words, to express a clear idea.

[S600BSB]

bad company said:

I have no idea what he’s on about either. I said that I hated Khan & his policies. Clear enough I’d have thought.

Why do you “hate Khan”. Have you met him? Idiot thing to say.

[Vanden Saab]

pb8g09 said:

For those that are keen to vote for Reform in an upcoming election, may I ask 3 genuine questions, because immigration seems to be the real key one for Reform content I've seen.

Why are you so keen for net zero immigration?
Do you think immigration hurts our economy?
Does it make you uneasy hearing foreign languages in a high street?

Because increasing our population beyond those we actually need is a silly idea.
Above those we actually need yes especially if they are on low incomes.
No, it makes me smile. On the other hand I would like people I have to deal with to be able to speak English.

[Digga]

S600BSB said:

bad company said:

I have no idea what he’s on about either. I said that I hated Khan & his policies. Clear enough I’d have thought.

Why do you “hate Khan”. Have you met him? Idiot thing to say.

TBF, with regard to people in the public domain and 'us', the general public, they are fair game, up to a point. That point being wishing any physical violence or expressing illegal opinions.

Have you met Boris, Cameron, Blair and do you have the same, extremely low opinion I have for them?

We can dislike someone, but admire policy, standards or morals. Similarly, we can like someone but totally disagree with what they stand for. These are not mutually exclusive events. You can dislike someone and dislike their policies, but admire their integrity and principles.

[crankedup5]

I disagree with Reform U.K. policy ‘net zero immigration’ I much prefer supporting the Governments policy introduction of the working visa scheme.

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crankedup5 said:

I disagree with Reform U.K. policy ‘net zero immigration’ I much prefer supporting the Governments policy introduction of the working visa scheme.

What working visa scheme? The one we've had since about 2008? Or a new one?

[reddiesel]

President Merkin said:

You admire Lee Anderson for asserting Khan is controlled by Islamists? Really? You think that's a mainstream view in the country? Really?

Its my belief that Khan panders to the Muslim Vote and as for this issue of control , he certainly isn't controlled by the Party he claims to represent .

[valiant]

reddiesel said:

President Merkin said:

You admire Lee Anderson for asserting Khan is controlled by Islamists? Really? You think that's a mainstream view in the country? Really?

Its my belief that Khan panders to the Muslim Vote and as for this issue of control , he certainly isn't controlled by the Party he claims to represent .

How has he pandered to the Muslim vote specifically?

[S600BSB]

Digga said:

S600BSB said:

bad company said:

I have no idea what he’s on about either. I said that I hated Khan & his policies. Clear enough I’d have thought.

Why do you “hate Khan”. Have you met him? Idiot thing to say.

TBF, with regard to people in the public domain and 'us', the general public, they are fair game, up to a point. That point being wishing any physical violence or expressing illegal opinions.

Have you met Boris, Cameron, Blair and do you have the same, extremely low opinion I have for them?

We can dislike someone, but admire policy, standards or morals. Similarly, we can like someone but totally disagree with what they stand for. These are not mutually exclusive events. You can dislike someone and dislike their policies, but admire their integrity and principles.

Agree, although “hate” is a little stronger than dislike. An odd thing to say about someone you (probably) don’t know.

[President Merkin]

valiant said:

How has he pandered to the Muslim vote specifically?

And what evidence do you have for Anderson's words being aligned with the wider electorate, using your own words?

[reddiesel]

Hants PHer said:

I'm going to confess to something that's rare for any poster in NP&E: I've changed my mind. Yes, you read that correctly, and I admit I was wrong about Lee Anderson..

When Anderson became an MP in 2019 I was initially rather taken by his bluntness and his direct style. I found it quite refreshing compared to the average politician who simply parrots whatever head office instructs. IIRC Anderson's views on our crazy response to Covid aligned with my own views.

However, the "pretend that you know me" video made me doubt Anderson's integrity. There were other daft things he said or tweeted, and then we had the remarks about Mayor Khan, which were just stupid. Now he's 'defected' (even though his dislike for Richard Tice is obvious) to a third party in a fairly short time.

I probably should have realised earlier than I have; my bad. I now regard Anderson as a rather dim but loud mouthed fool. A man of no loyalty and little integrity, whatever Tice might say.

We are all free to change our opinions but I wonder about your reasons for doing so . The criticism of Khan was for many perfectly valid and reasonable and as for his defection to another party , a week is indeed a long time in Politics . I don't know about the video having never viewed any

[crankedup5]

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crankedup5 said:

I disagree with Reform U.K. policy ‘net zero immigration’ I much prefer supporting the Governments policy introduction of the working visa scheme.

What working visa scheme? The one we've had since about 2008? Or a new one?

The recently updated one.

[pb8g09]

Vanden Saab said:

Because increasing our population beyond those we actually need is a silly idea.
Above those we actually need yes especially if they are on low incomes.
No, it makes me smile. On the other hand I would like people I have to deal with to be able to speak English.

In Kent they're struggling to get 'English' workers to go out and pick fruit - so I think quite a few farmers/food producers might argue that we need low income migrants quite significantly.

Many say nurses are on low incomes - I'd say we need a fair few more of those too given we appear to have a massive shortage according to NHS Trusts.

Care homes are also struggling for the same reason - given we have such an ageing population, surely you'd say we definitely 'need' that labour too.

I'm curious who gets to choose which population we 'need'? I'd argue we don't 'need' many pensioners anymore - doesn't mean I want to vote to ban them from the country. We probably don't 'need' most of us on pistonheads given many of us just sit in clerical roles adding very little to society.

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crankedup5 said:

E63eeeeee... said:

crankedup5 said:

I disagree with Reform U.K. policy ‘net zero immigration’ I much prefer supporting the Governments policy introduction of the working visa scheme.

What working visa scheme? The one we've had since about 2008? Or a new one?

The recently updated one.

Do you just mean the fact that they changed some of the salary thresholds? Because that's minor tweaks to an existing scheme and certainly not the introduction of a scheme. What difference do you envisage the changes making?

[Dingu]

reddiesel said:

Hants PHer said:

I'm going to confess to something that's rare for any poster in NP&E: I've changed my mind. Yes, you read that correctly, and I admit I was wrong about Lee Anderson..

When Anderson became an MP in 2019 I was initially rather taken by his bluntness and his direct style. I found it quite refreshing compared to the average politician who simply parrots whatever head office instructs. IIRC Anderson's views on our crazy response to Covid aligned with my own views.

However, the "pretend that you know me" video made me doubt Anderson's integrity. There were other daft things he said or tweeted, and then we had the remarks about Mayor Khan, which were just stupid. Now he's 'defected' (even though his dislike for Richard Tice is obvious) to a third party in a fairly short time.

I probably should have realised earlier than I have; my bad. I now regard Anderson as a rather dim but loud mouthed fool. A man of no loyalty and little integrity, whatever Tice might say.

We are all free to change our opinions but I wonder about your reasons for doing so . The criticism of Khan was for many perfectly valid and reasonable and as for his defection to another party , a week is indeed a long time in Politics . I don't know about the video having never viewed any

Reasonable to oxygen thieves perhaps.

[Vanden Saab]

pb8g09 said:

Vanden Saab said:

Because increasing our population beyond those we actually need is a silly idea.
Above those we actually need yes especially if they are on low incomes.
No, it makes me smile. On the other hand I would like people I have to deal with to be able to speak English.

In Kent they're struggling to get 'English' workers to go out and pick fruit - so I think quite a few farmers/food producers might argue that we need low income migrants quite significantly.

Many say nurses are on low incomes - I'd say we need a fair few more of those too given we appear to have a massive shortage according to NHS Trusts.

Care homes are also struggling for the same reason - given we have such an ageing population, surely you'd say we definitely 'need' that labour too.

I'm curious who gets to choose which population we 'need'? I'd argue we don't 'need' many pensioners anymore - doesn't mean I want to vote to ban them from the country. We probably don't 'need' most of us on pistonheads given many of us just sit in clerical roles adding very little to society.

Try telling my back that...bloody metre square tiles...

[crankedup5]

E63eeeeee... said:

crankedup5 said:

E63eeeeee... said:

crankedup5 said:

I disagree with Reform U.K. policy ‘net zero immigration’ I much prefer supporting the Governments policy introduction of the working visa scheme.

What working visa scheme? The one we've had since about 2008? Or a new one?

The recently updated one.

Do you just mean the fact that they changed some of the salary thresholds? Because that's minor tweaks to an existing scheme and certainly not the introduction of a scheme. What difference do you envisage the changes making?

I felt that the increases in salary thresholds is a significant change to the scheme, I support the scheme in the round, makes good sense. Government policy is high skilled high wages economy long term , so is consistent to raise thresholds within some high skilled sectors.

[Countdown]

valiant said:

reddiesel said:

President Merkin said:

You admire Lee Anderson for asserting Khan is controlled by Islamists? Really? You think that's a mainstream view in the country? Really?

Its my belief that Khan panders to the Muslim Vote and as for this issue of control , he certainly isn't controlled by the Party he claims to represent .

How has he pandered to the Muslim vote specifically?

Good question. Given that there's zero evidence of SK "pandering" I wonder what the answer's going to be.

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crankedup5 said:

E63eeeeee... said:

crankedup5 said:

E63eeeeee... said:

crankedup5 said:

I disagree with Reform U.K. policy ‘net zero immigration’ I much prefer supporting the Governments policy introduction of the working visa scheme.

What working visa scheme? The one we've had since about 2008? Or a new one?

The recently updated one.

Do you just mean the fact that they changed some of the salary thresholds? Because that's minor tweaks to an existing scheme and certainly not the introduction of a scheme. What difference do you envisage the changes making?

I felt that the increases in salary thresholds is a significant change to the scheme, I support the scheme in the round, makes good sense. Government policy is high skilled high wages economy long term , so is consistent to raise thresholds within some high skilled sectors.

Given that the change it was undoing was barely reported at the time, I'd have to say you're wrong. But then it sounds like you don't actually know what's changed, and having attached yourself to a headline you're just waffling vaguely. How does the change impact on net migration and how does it affect industries which have typically low salaries but are critical like the care industry? What is it that makes you think this set of tweaks is better than any of the last 16 years' iterations?

[reddiesel]

valiant said:

How has he pandered to the Muslim vote specifically?

Khan has supported a succession of Islamists both as a Human Rights Lawyer and as a Politician . He even chaired the Legal Affairs Committee of the Muslim Council of Britain who's links to the Muslim Brotherhood are well known . I well remember his defence of a Muslim Cleric Al Quaradi stating that he wasn't the extremist he was painted . This despite the fact Quaradi supported Suicide Bombing in Iraq and Israel , Wife beating and executing Homosexuals . In 2009 when Khan was Labour Minister for Social Cohesion he went on Iranian State TV denouncing reformist Muslims as Uncle Toms .
There is a reason Sadique Khan and George Galloway dress the way they NOW do . They pander to the Muslim Vote in order to advance their standing within these Communities . Two Cheeks of the same Arse .