Dilbert comic dropped

[plenty]

Since we're sharing Twitter posts I thought today's AidanC take on Billy Bragg was way off the mark: https://twitter.com/AidanCTweets/status/1638085500...

And an example of the sort of 'absolutism' that skwdenyer calls out, by characterising all opposition as motivated by hatred.

[gregs656]

skwdenyer said:

Fair enough. I haven't listened to that podcast, nor have I read anything JKR has written on the subject at all. All thoughts my own.

Ok.

Currently the rights of the LGBT community are under varied and wide spread attack in the US, and particularly trans rights in the UK. IMO this is more to do with the economic situations of both countries with lots of 'the middle' feeling squeezed - causing the shifting political alliances in parts of the UK and US.

In the US it is also because pressure groups are funding case after case to get issues in front of a sympathetic Supreme Court.

A lot of this is happening in language that seems reasonable (there were many people on here for example who had no problem with HB 1557), and when the LGBT community speaks up in defense of its self - that is when you get the twitter dumpster fires.

There is no way of taking the heat out of this IMO. The stakes are too high for the people looking to gain power by throwing LGBT people under the bus.

[98elise]

donkmeister said:

chrispmartha said:

donkmeister said:

AC43 said:

Dracoro said:

ApexCult said:

GroundEffect said:

It's a bit like Graham Linehan. Fantastic writer but more and more desperate and disgusting viewpoints.

Loved his shows, didn't realise some of his views!

Odd collection of views though, pro abortion, NHS & atheist. But also anti-trans.

Lost his wife over it.

Can you quote something he said that was anti-trans? With context etc…

He wasn't anti-trans. He was pro-debate and that was enough to get him cancelled. That's the way of the world these days. Debate is off the table. Challenge that concept at your peril.

Exactly.

He had an anti-trans bullseye stuck on his back after that hilarious IT Crowd episode where Reynholm misheard "I was born a man" as "I was born in Iran". The portrayal of a post-op transperson as a pint-swilling fist-fighting bloke who just happened to look like a woman was clearly absurd, it wasn't meant as a sensitive documentary on gender dysphoria, any more than Father Ted was a documentary about the Catholic church.

Now what has he said since then... I'm not his biographer, I don't know, so if you tell me he's been... I dunno... calling for violence against transfolk then sure, that's transphobic. However the original thing that got him labelled as transphobic was not transphobic, it was hilarious.

So he can inly be transphobic if he calls for violence against trans people?

What has he said since then? literally thousands and thousands of things. He calls trans people peados, people who disagree with him groomers, people nonces, any women who dare disagree with him dick pandering handmaidens.

Graham Linehan is a strange hill for you to die on to be honest.

His wife and kids left him because he was posting and harassing people on twitter night and day, his family asked him to stop and he wouldn’t.

He’s not been cancelled he’s done it to himself.

Graham Linehan pro debate? Seriously?

Edited by chrispmartha on Monday 27th February 17:22

I don't think there's a debate to be had about trans, so I couldn't give a toss if Graham Lineham is pro or anti it.
People should be free to live their lives as they wish when it doesn't harm anyone else, and that extends to being able to live free of judgement from others about whether the contents of your pants matches the name you go by. It also means people should be free to write comedy that takes the piss out of all aspects of the human condition including transgender.

I'm not "dying on a hill" (I fking hate that phrase - it is always used to try and reduce the recipient to a one dimensional person who, because they have an opinion on something, must be some sort of fundamentalist obsessed with that one opinion), I simply don't think GL was a transphobe until he got the st bullied out of him and his livelihood and creative outlet taken away from him. All for an episode of the IT Crowd that was clearly not meant as a documentary about transgenderism.

His is free to do and say as he pleases. He can't expect his wife, his friends, his employers etc to want to be associated with him any more though if they disagree with his views.

[bitchstewie]

donkmeister said:

bhstewie said:

donkmeister said:

Exactly.

He had an anti-trans bullseye stuck on his back after that hilarious IT Crowd episode where Reynholm misheard "I was born a man" as "I was born in Iran". The portrayal of a post-op transperson as a pint-swilling fist-fighting bloke who just happened to look like a woman was clearly absurd, it wasn't meant as a sensitive documentary on gender dysphoria, any more than Father Ted was a documentary about the Catholic church.

Now what has he said since then... I'm not his biographer, I don't know, so if you tell me he's been... I dunno... calling for violence against transfolk then sure, that's transphobic. However the original thing that got him labelled as transphobic was not transphobic, it was hilarious.

Why do you think he did this?

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/02/21/graham-line...

Like I said, I'm not his biographer so I don't know what he's done since the IT Crowd, but don't forget it was the IT Crowd episode that had people declaring him a transphobe and that was back in 2008.

Hectoring and haranguing someone over something they didn't do will have a profound impact on them. Innocent people have taken their own lives in similar circumstances, in Lineham's case it seems to have turned him from a comedy writer in gainful employment into someone who has no livelihood and an axe to grind.

Sure.

But why do you think he did that?

[SpeckledJim]

bhstewie said:

donkmeister said:

bhstewie said:

donkmeister said:

Exactly.

He had an anti-trans bullseye stuck on his back after that hilarious IT Crowd episode where Reynholm misheard "I was born a man" as "I was born in Iran". The portrayal of a post-op transperson as a pint-swilling fist-fighting bloke who just happened to look like a woman was clearly absurd, it wasn't meant as a sensitive documentary on gender dysphoria, any more than Father Ted was a documentary about the Catholic church.

Now what has he said since then... I'm not his biographer, I don't know, so if you tell me he's been... I dunno... calling for violence against transfolk then sure, that's transphobic. However the original thing that got him labelled as transphobic was not transphobic, it was hilarious.

Why do you think he did this?

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/02/21/graham-line...

Like I said, I'm not his biographer so I don't know what he's done since the IT Crowd, but don't forget it was the IT Crowd episode that had people declaring him a transphobe and that was back in 2008.

Hectoring and haranguing someone over something they didn't do will have a profound impact on them. Innocent people have taken their own lives in similar circumstances, in Lineham's case it seems to have turned him from a comedy writer in gainful employment into someone who has no livelihood and an axe to grind.

Sure.

But why do you think he did that?

Because he's what we would call, if this wasn't 2023 and we're all better than that now, mental.

Massively talented guy. Off-kilter brain. Sees things most of us don't (for better and worse). Obsessive characteristics. Anti-social. Obnoxious perhaps? Mental.

[chrispmartha]

SpeckledJim said:

Because he's what we would call, if this wasn't 2023 and we're all better than that now, mental.

Massively talented guy. Off-kilter brain. Sees things most of us don't (for better and worse). Obsessive characteristics. Anti-social. Obnoxious perhaps? Mental.

Linehan had a bit reputation of being an obnoxious bully in the industry before he went totally off the rails. I think he was called The Twitter Policeman!

[JagLover]

SpeckledJim said:

Because he's what we would call, if this wasn't 2023 and we're all better than that now, mental.

Massively talented guy. Off-kilter brain. Sees things most of us don't (for better and worse). Obsessive characteristics. Anti-social. Obnoxious perhaps? Mental.

Probably most of the best comedians are. I don't watch most modern comedy but little of it reaches the heights Father Ted or the IT Crowd reached as far as I can see, so it highlights the problem really, cancel your troubled but talented people and creativity dies with it.

A puritanical society is a miserable, joyless, one.

[bitchstewie]

SpeckledJim said:

Because he's what we would call, if this wasn't 2023 and we're all better than that now, mental.

Massively talented guy. Off-kilter brain. Sees things most of us don't (for better and worse). Obsessive characteristics. Anti-social. Obnoxious perhaps? Mental.

It's one possibility.

Or perhaps he's just a very unpleasant individual.

[chrispmartha]

JagLover said:

SpeckledJim said:

Because he's what we would call, if this wasn't 2023 and we're all better than that now, mental.

Massively talented guy. Off-kilter brain. Sees things most of us don't (for better and worse). Obsessive characteristics. Anti-social. Obnoxious perhaps? Mental.

Probably most of the best comedians are. I don't watch most modern comedy but little of it reaches the heights Father Ted or the IT Crowd reached as far as I can see, so it highlights the problem really, cancel your troubled but talented people and creativity dies with it.

A puritanical society is a miserable, joyless, one.

‘‘I don’t watch most modern comedy but I know it’s rubbish’’

Maybe try theres some fantastic stuff around. The IT crowd was OK lots of stuff lifted straight from Seinfeld though.

Linehan hasn’t been cancelled, just nobody wants to work with him because he’s a bigot with a raging Twitter addiction.

[Electro1980]

The idea that great comedy has to come from obnoxious minds is nonsense. The IT Crowd and Father Ted were great is nonsense. They were watchable, but not brilliant or groundbreaking in any way, and it’s not just the writers that made them good. Matt Berry, Richard Ayoade, Katherine Parkinson, Chris Morris and Noel Fielding are all great comedians, writers and actors, with at least three of them very much dealing in comedy about, and promoting, social issues and inclusion.

People always point to the Pythons and how John Cleese behaves as an example, ignoring the fact that the rest of them appear to have hated him.

Edited by Electro1980 on Wednesday 22 March 07:16

[JagLover]

chrispmartha said:

‘‘I don’t watch most modern comedy but I know it’s rubbish’’

Actually now I think about it South Park is still great but the creators have gone on the record that if they came along now they would either not get made or have far more constraints over creative freedom. They only get away with what they do due to the past record of success.

[AW111]

JagLover said:

SpeckledJim said:

Because he's what we would call, if this wasn't 2023 and we're all better than that now, mental.

Massively talented guy. Off-kilter brain. Sees things most of us don't (for better and worse). Obsessive characteristics. Anti-social. Obnoxious perhaps? Mental.

Probably most of the best comedians are. I don't watch most modern comedy but little of it reaches the heights Father Ted or the IT Crowd reached as far as I can see, so it highlights the problem really, cancel your troubled but talented people and creativity dies with it.

A puritanical society is a miserable, joyless, one.

What a rubbish post. There are plenty of "edgey" comedians out there who haven't been "cancelled".

But if you spend your spare time vomiting hate on social media like Adams and Lineham, don't be surprised if you no longer get hired.


ps Regarding John Cleese, I don't think he's said or done anything funny since last century, just bitter rants about his ex.

[TonyToniTone]

plenty said:

Rather like how immigration is most fiercely opposed in the geographies where there are fewest immigrants.

Is that true?

[chrispmartha]

JagLover said:

chrispmartha said:

‘‘I don’t watch most modern comedy but I know it’s rubbish’’

Actually now I think about it South Park is still great but the creators have gone on the record that if they came along now they would either not get made or have far more constraints over creative freedom. They only get away with what they do due to the past record of success.

there's been some fabulous comedy over the lest decade - certainly many better than the IT crowd IMO - even one that Linehan had a bit of a hand in 'Motherland' which he was involved in the first series with his former wife - he then got dumped from the series and then by his his wife because of his anti trans twitter bigotry.

there's even been a series called Toast of London which main start was one of the main characters in that IT Crowd Episode, strange isn't it that he has gone on to have a great career! Wonder what the difference is between Matt Berry and Graham Linehan?

[plenty]

TonyToniTone said:

plenty said:

Rather like how immigration is most fiercely opposed in the geographies where there are fewest immigrants.

Is that true?

The North East has consistently polled as the UK region most opposed to immigration. For example: https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/br...

The North East has the lowest percentage of foreign-born residents of any region in the UK. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...

Conversely, London has by far the highest proportion of foreign-born residents of any region, and is most favourable to immigrants of any region.

[Kawasicki]

plenty said:

TonyToniTone said:

plenty said:

Rather like how immigration is most fiercely opposed in the geographies where there are fewest immigrants.

Is that true?

The North East has consistently polled as the UK region most opposed to immigration. For example: https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/br...

The North East has the lowest percentage of foreign-born residents of any region in the UK. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...

Conversely, London has by far the highest proportion of foreign-born residents of any region, and is most favourable to immigrants of any region.

Alternative explanation; Foreign born residents don’t tend to settle in economically deprived locations.

[gregs656]

Kawasicki said:

Alternative explanation; Foreign born residents don’t tend to settle in economically deprived locations.

That isn’t an alternative explanation.

[plenty]

In fairness I think it's a relevant point. Immigrants tend to settle where other immigrants are and where are opportunities. And people in more deprived areas have a greater fear of immigrants taking their jobs.

But I think there's more to it than that, including fear of culture change. Just look at how many anti-London posts there on PH alone, mostly by people who live far away from London. Not all of them are motivated by a distaste for diversity, but you just know that many of them are.

[Byker28i]

And now he's found a new home on a right wing platform

Scott Adams launched the same daily comic strip under the name Dilbert Reborn via the right-wing online platform Rumble, which touts itself as 'immune to cancel culture.'
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2023/03...

https://www.rawstory.com/dilbert/