Gary Lineker

[crankedup5]

greygoose said:

frisbee said:

crankedup5 said:

frisbee said:

crankedup5 said:

Gary will be chuffed to know that he has a few people supporting him in PH.
Meanwhile back the real World our Home Secretary gets on with the work required and promises the Rwanda policy will be up and running by this Summer. We shall see soon enough.

The rancid cow should stay in Rwanda and claim she deported herself. That's the best chance of her idiotic policy showing any success before the Tories are shat out at the next election.

I can feel your frustration and anger, thankfully I don’t share it.
Don’t forget that the Tories were voted in on a mandate from the electorate to ‘take back control’ of our borders. They are simply attempting to enact that promise.

Anger and frustration?

Mild bemusement more like. You are so adorably gullible.

The Tories must be amazed by crankedup5, 13 years of failure and then they announce a scheme to pay Rwanda a fortune (yet don’t actually send anyone there) and he is clapping like a demented seal in delight at their success, gullible doesn’t begin to cover it.

Signs of a crumbling weakness in your argument on display right here. You are aware that the Rwanda policy is progressing through the Courts of Law and until the scheme is approved fully as lawful the U.K. cannot transport illegal migrants on a forward journey?

[crankedup5]

valiant said:

crankedup5 said:

I can feel your frustration and anger, thankfully I don’t share it.
Don’t forget that the Tories were voted in on a mandate from the electorate to ‘take back control’ of our borders. They are simply attempting to enact that promise.

13 years and all they’ve managed to do is break the system they’re trying to ‘take back control’ of.

You are either hopelessly naïve, gullible or blind to what is happening with our immigration system in this country. The government has really done a number on you…

What number has the Government ‘done’ on me? Do you not understand that in the event Government fail to enact the manifesto promise ‘control our borders’ they will be out of No 10 in eighteen months time. This is why Sunak has the issue in his top five ‘must do’ list. The noise in here regarding the issue against the policy is just that, noise.

[hairykrishna]

Even if they succeed in shipping some poor fkers off to Rwanda I fail to see how that makes up for the total dogs breakfast they've made of the asylum system.

[monthou]

crankedup5 said:

You’re certainly not winning me over to your side of this division, and that is what matters isn’t it ?

How many minds do you think you've changed?

[SWoll]

Gweeds said:

monthou said:

It's hilarious that you and SWoll are now moaning that he hasn't done more.
Bottom of the barrel stuff.

The contortions they have to perform to hate whoever the Mail tell them who the enemy are this week are fking funny though.

It has nothing to do with the mail, you're just doing the usual labelling job in order to dismiss a question.

I'm coming at this from not holding any strong position either way on immigration policy but wondering what it is that Lineker has done with his high profile and huge following in order to improve the plight of immigrants in the UK?

He appears to have been put on a pedestal in certain circles and I'm struggling to understand why? Because of some divisive tweets for twitter likes? 3 months bed and breakfast for a couple of carefully selected university students? Is that really it?

[monthou]

SWoll said:

Gweeds said:

monthou said:

It's hilarious that you and SWoll are now moaning that he hasn't done more.
Bottom of the barrel stuff.

The contortions they have to perform to hate whoever the Mail tell them who the enemy are this week are fking funny though.

It has nothing to do with the mail, you're just doing the usual labelling job in order to dismiss a question.

I'm coming at this from not holding any strong position either way on immigration policy but wondering what it is that Lineker has done with his high profile and huge following in order to improve the plight of immigrants in the UK?

He appears to have been put on a pedestal in certain circles and I'm struggling to understand why? Because of some divisive tweets for twitter likes? 3 months bed and breakfast for a couple of carefully selected university students? Is that really it?

You're coming at this from holding a strong position that Lineker did all this as a cynical tax ploy and knew for sure the BBC were going to suspend him. That puts your concerns above nicely into perspective.

[HM-2]

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

You’re certainly not winning me over to your side of this division, and that is what matters isn’t it ?

How many minds do you think you've changed?

I reckon he's changed plenty, just perhaps not in the way he'd have hoped.

[Ivan stewart]

hairykrishna said:

Even if they succeed in shipping some poor fkers off to Rwanda I fail to see how that makes up for the total dogs breakfast they've made of the asylum system.

Yes absolutely, thinking the less they send to Rwanda the better, it will be a better place for indigenous brits to flee to if things continue as they are !!

[Randy Winkman]

SWoll said:

Gweeds said:

monthou said:

It's hilarious that you and SWoll are now moaning that he hasn't done more.
Bottom of the barrel stuff.

The contortions they have to perform to hate whoever the Mail tell them who the enemy are this week are fking funny though.

It has nothing to do with the mail, you're just doing the usual labelling job in order to dismiss a question.

I'm coming at this from not holding any strong position either way on immigration policy but wondering what it is that Lineker has done with his high profile and huge following in order to improve the plight of immigrants in the UK?

He appears to have been put on a pedestal in certain circles and I'm struggling to understand why? Because of some divisive tweets for twitter likes? 3 months bed and breakfast for a couple of carefully selected university students? Is that really it?

I'm not sure there's many that have him "on a pedestal". I think that most defending him are simply doing so because of the recent BBC/HMG hassle he's been getting and aren't really that bothered about him one way or another.

[bitchstewie]

Randy Winkman said:

I'm not sure there's many that have him "on a pedestal". I think that most defending him are simply doing so because of the recent BBC/HMG hassle he's been getting and aren't really that bothered about him one way or another.

You mean that just because you think this one issue was handled badly by the BBC and the Government you won't be arguing the finer nuances of tax laws if Lineker loses his case with HMRC?

What about Steve Bray

[sugerbear]

bhstewie said:

Randy Winkman said:

I'm not sure there's many that have him "on a pedestal". I think that most defending him are simply doing so because of the recent BBC/HMG hassle he's been getting and aren't really that bothered about him one way or another.

You mean that just because you think this one issue was handled badly by the BBC and the Government you won't be arguing the finer nuances of tax laws if Lineker loses his case with HMRC?

What about Steve Bray

Gary Lineker plays 12D chess.

[Countdown]

SWoll said:

I'm coming at this from not holding any strong position either way on immigration policy but wondering what it is that Lineker has done with his high profile and huge following in order to improve the plight of immigrants in the UK?

I think he's done an incredible amount. He's raised the profile of the issues faced by asylum seekers and, perhaps more importantly, the bigotry they face from a lot of people

SWoll said:

He appears to have been put on a pedestal in certain circles and I'm struggling to understand why? Because of some divisive tweets for twitter likes? 3 months bed and breakfast for a couple of carefully selected university students? Is that really it?

Let's be honest; despite the fact that he's done far more than most people no matter what he did it wouldn't be enough for those who are against asylum seekers coming to the UK. His generosity makes them look like sad pathetic selfish individuals. So if he was to open a hotel for them they'd say "All he's done is open a hotel! Why hasn't he done it for the thousands of homeless ex-soldiers?" or some other BS excuse.

Or they'd diminish what he'd done by making moronic comments such as "carefully selected University students". Itr shouldn't take more than two brain cells to realise that all placements are vetted, and they clearly weren't enrolled in a University when they crossed the Channel to get to the UK.

[Gweeds]

It's the same, brain-dead, dense argument as 'why doesn't he give them all of his money then'.

[bitchstewie]

But that only applies to Lineker.

Remember if you're one of those people who keep telling use "we need to look after our own" it's completely different.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Let's be honest, for several posters on here, Lineker could rescue their own children from a burning building and they'd be saying "you've left the cat to burn to death, you heartless leftie do gooder".

[SteveStrange]

I fking hate cats. Garden-stting hand-scratching little bds.

[JNW1]

It's interesting how this thread seems to have descended into another version of the one that's already running about the merits (or otherwise) of sending migrants to Rwanda. That's obviously a topic worthy of discussion but to me the Gary Lineker debate was more around the principle of free speech rather than the content of an individual tweet; that's not to say the content of the tweet wasn't important but to my mind Lineker's conflict with the BBC was wider than that - that tweet was just what brought it all to the surface.

[crankedup5]

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

You’re certainly not winning me over to your side of this division, and that is what matters isn’t it ?

How many minds do you think you've changed?

Strange, I haven’t set out to change anybodies mindset, why would I want or need to do that when my elected Government has the issue as a manifesto promise?

[Mrr T]

crankedup5 said:

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

You’re certainly not winning me over to your side of this division, and that is what matters isn’t it ?

How many minds do you think you've changed?

Strange, I haven’t set out to change anybodies mindset, why would I want or need to do that when my elected Government has the issue as a manifesto promise?

What manifesto promise was that?

https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan

[Vanden Saab]

SWoll said:

Gweeds said:

monthou said:

It's hilarious that you and SWoll are now moaning that he hasn't done more.
Bottom of the barrel stuff.

The contortions they have to perform to hate whoever the Mail tell them who the enemy are this week are fking funny though.

It has nothing to do with the mail, you're just doing the usual labelling job in order to dismiss a question.

I'm coming at this from not holding any strong position either way on immigration policy but wondering what it is that Lineker has done with his high profile and huge following in order to improve the plight of immigrants in the UK?

He appears to have been put on a pedestal in certain circles and I'm struggling to understand why? Because of some divisive tweets for twitter likes? 3 months bed and breakfast for a couple of carefully selected university students? Is that really it?

Because the guardian told them to, probably