Gary Lineker

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E63eeeeee...

3,947 posts

50 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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crankedup5 said:
The thing is this, what is the alternative at the voting booth next year. I couldn’t contemplate voting for Starmer and his bunch of cretins to form Government. Better the cretins we know than jump into an even deeper pond.
Nope. Your cretins have had 13 years and only made everything worse. At some point even the dopiest, most blinkered Tory has to realise it's time to try something else.

HM-2

12,467 posts

170 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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crankedup5 said:
Better the cretins we know
I struggle to see how government formed by any of the other major parties could possibly be worse than the last few years of Tory administration, and I say that as a previous Tory voter. It's reached a point where I'd honestly toss a coin to choose between Rishi Sunak or Carla Denyer for PM.

I'm sure there's a famous saying about how doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of madness.

Edited by HM-2 on Tuesday 21st March 22:41

Vanden Saab

14,186 posts

75 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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HM-2 said:
crankedup5 said:
They know that failure equals a wipe out in the next G.E.
They're going to get wiped out next GE anyway, regardless of whether their small boats policy works (which it won't).
Not if Starmer carries on the way he has been, I see that he voted against the latest pension changes safe in the knowledge that his own DPP pension is exempt from those taxes. The errors are mounting up and there are still close to two years before the next election. Despite what some think, even a minor success in stopping the boats might be enough in conjunction with Sunaks steady as she goes attitude. Drip, drip....

sparta6

3,704 posts

101 months

Tuesday 21st March 2023
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E63eeeeee... said:
You know the HO does quite a lot of other things as well as asylum seekers, right? It handles something like 3 million immigration transactions per year, and 6 million passport applications.
Rush hour !

HM-2

12,467 posts

170 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Vanden Saab said:
Not if Starmer carries on the way he has been
The current voting intention polling has only been going one way, and not the way you seem to think. I think it extremely unlikely that even a roaring success in stopping small boats- which I think is vanishingly rare as a possibility, most experts seem to think it will have absolutely no impact at all- will measurably affect the Tories' fortunes. Their rhetoric on the subject hasn't benefitted them in polls, despite their insistence it's a highly popular policy.

Edited by HM-2 on Wednesday 22 March 07:27

Disastrous

10,090 posts

218 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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crankedup5 said:
Better the cretins we know
After how many years of incompetence does that become untrue for you?

(I know the answer is ‘never’ sadly, but always funny to hear people justify voting for a party literally laughing at them)

greygoose

8,285 posts

196 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Disastrous said:
crankedup5 said:
Better the cretins we know
After how many years of incompetence does that become untrue for you?

(I know the answer is ‘never’ sadly, but always funny to hear people justify voting for a party literally laughing at them)
Nothing will stop him voting Tory no matter how inept they are, it's sad to see.

Randy Winkman

16,322 posts

190 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Disastrous said:
crankedup5 said:
Better the cretins we know
After how many years of incompetence does that become untrue for you?

(I know the answer is ‘never’ sadly, but always funny to hear people justify voting for a party literally laughing at them)
I see it like a football team. If a team is doing really badly the board doesn't think "We'd better just keep going with the same manager because we don't know how well a new one would do". They think "We owe it to the fans to at least try and do something about this mess and change the manager".

HM-2

12,467 posts

170 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Randy Winkman said:
Disastrous said:
crankedup5 said:
Better the cretins we know
After how many years of incompetence does that become untrue for you?

(I know the answer is ‘never’ sadly, but always funny to hear people justify voting for a party literally laughing at them)
I see it like a football team. If a team is doing really badly the board doesn't think "We'd better just keep going with the same manager because we don't know how well a new one would do". They think "We owe it to the fans to at least try and do something about this mess and change the manager".
It's basically sunk cost fallacy, except in this case the sunk cost is everyone's lives and livelihoods.

86

2,803 posts

117 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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E63eeeeee... said:
crankedup5 said:
The thing is this, what is the alternative at the voting booth next year. I couldn’t contemplate voting for Starmer and his bunch of cretins to form Government. Better the cretins we know than jump into an even deeper pond.
Nope. Your cretins have had 13 years and only made everything worse. At some point even the dopiest, most blinkered Tory has to realise it's time to try something else.
Labour’s lead down 10 points in latest poll. No guarantee Labour will win once they have to announce some policies and come under examination that remaining lead will disappear

greygoose

8,285 posts

196 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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86 said:
Labour’s lead down 10 points in latest poll. No guarantee Labour will win once they have to announce some policies and come under examination that remaining lead will disappear
I can sense your excitement at the prospect of the Tories ruining the country for longer, why?

86

2,803 posts

117 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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I see Starmer a total hypocrite again his personal pension protected from pension cap he wants to introduce. I’m alright Jack !!

HM-2

12,467 posts

170 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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86 said:
Labour’s lead down 10 points in latest poll.
The latest polling I can see is Redfield Wilton, which has labour with a 21% lead (47% versus 26%). That's not down 10 of anything, and is truly enormous. The Delta Poll that the "Labour only has a 10% lead" claim is based on seems to very much be an outlier.

86 said:
I see Starmer a total hypocrite again his personal pension protected from pension cap he wants to introduce. I’m alright Jack !!


Edited by HM-2 on Wednesday 22 March 08:17

vladcjelli

2,984 posts

159 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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HM-2 said:
Randy Winkman said:
Disastrous said:
crankedup5 said:
Better the cretins we know
After how many years of incompetence does that become untrue for you?

(I know the answer is ‘never’ sadly, but always funny to hear people justify voting for a party literally laughing at them)
I see it like a football team. If a team is doing really badly the board doesn't think "We'd better just keep going with the same manager because we don't know how well a new one would do". They think "We owe it to the fans to at least try and do something about this mess and change the manager".
It's basically sunk cost fallacy, except in this case the sunk cost is everyone's lives and livelihoods.
And to extend the footballing analogy, when fans of a team see how far away from being competitive they have become, they actually welcome relegation to the division below as it gives them time to prune the dead wood, regroup and rebuild.

JNW1

7,820 posts

195 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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So only around a week after agreeing to abide by its editorial guidelines until the BBC's review is complete it seems Gary Lineker has published another political tweet (doesn't mention Boris by name but I think the timing makes it pretty clear who he's referring to!):

https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/16381527493...

Again many (including me) will agree with what he said - and defend as a principal his right to speak out - but nevertheless it does rather smack of sticking-up two fingers at the BBC and not complying with the spirit of an agreement he supposedly reached only a matter of days ago. Although I like him as a presenter - and agree with a lot of what he says in his tweets - he's starting to give the impression of someone who thinks he can do as he likes because he's become too big to be sanctioned (and that's not a good look IMO).


greygoose

8,285 posts

196 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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JNW1 said:
So only around a week after agreeing to abide by its editorial guidelines until the BBC's review is complete it seems Gary Lineker has published another political tweet (doesn't mention Boris by name but I think the timing makes it pretty clear who he's referring to!):

https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/16381527493...

Again many (including me) will agree with what he said - and defend as a principal his right to speak out - but nevertheless it does rather smack of sticking-up two fingers at the BBC and not complying with the spirit of an agreement he supposedly reached only a matter of days ago. Although I like him as a presenter - and agree with a lot of what he says in his tweets - he's starting to give the impression of someone who thinks he can do as he likes because he's become too big to be sanctioned (and that's not a good look IMO).
That's quite a charge as Laura K might say.

crankedup5

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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E63eeeeee... said:
crankedup5 said:
The thing is this, what is the alternative at the voting booth next year. I couldn’t contemplate voting for Starmer and his bunch of cretins to form Government. Better the cretins we know than jump into an even deeper pond.
Nope. Your cretins have had 13 years and only made everything worse. At some point even the dopiest, most blinkered Tory has to realise it's time to try something else.
Problem I have with Starmer is his propensity to bend with the wind.Looking back just a few years and considering his ‘U’ turns on major policy proposals. Supported corbyn and all his loony left ideologies and now the complete reversal. Which way is the wind blowing today.
Trying something new, yup maybe I will vote ‘The Reform Party’.

chrispmartha

15,530 posts

130 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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JNW1 said:
So only around a week after agreeing to abide by its editorial guidelines until the BBC's review is complete it seems Gary Lineker has published another political tweet (doesn't mention Boris by name but I think the timing makes it pretty clear who he's referring to!):

https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/16381527493...

Again many (including me) will agree with what he said - and defend as a principal his right to speak out - but nevertheless it does rather smack of sticking-up two fingers at the BBC and not complying with the spirit of an agreement he supposedly reached only a matter of days ago. Although I like him as a presenter - and agree with a lot of what he says in his tweets - he's starting to give the impression of someone who thinks he can do as he likes because he's become too big to be sanctioned (and that's not a good look IMO).
What are the details of the agreement that came to?

crankedup5

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Vanden Saab said:
HM-2 said:
crankedup5 said:
They know that failure equals a wipe out in the next G.E.
They're going to get wiped out next GE anyway, regardless of whether their small boats policy works (which it won't).
Not if Starmer carries on the way he has been, I see that he voted against the latest pension changes safe in the knowledge that his own DPP pension is exempt from those taxes. The errors are mounting up and there are still close to two years before the next election. Despite what some think, even a minor success in stopping the boats might be enough in conjunction with Sunaks steady as she goes attitude. Drip, drip....
Another six months with Sunak attempting to revitalise the sinking ship, I couldn’t even contemplate voting Labour in its current form

crankedup5

9,692 posts

36 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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greygoose said:
Disastrous said:
crankedup5 said:
Better the cretins we know
After how many years of incompetence does that become untrue for you?

(I know the answer is ‘never’ sadly, but always funny to hear people justify voting for a party literally laughing at them)
Nothing will stop him voting Tory no matter how inept they are, it's sad to see.
The thing is what is being missed in here, the current Government has been good for me. More please.