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Dingu said:
His Twitter is his business and the BBC shouldn’t have any say over it.
That's not the way it works for any blue or white collar worker in the U.K/U.S.A.There will be contractual clauses in almost every contract, that is why most people have anon accounts on twitter.
Look at what happened to Gina Carano, Lineker thought he was different and has been thrown under the proverbial media bus.
Castrol for a knave said:
He didn't make the comments in BBC time and pay.
He is a contractor, so not a direct employee
He isnt in a role that demands impartiality
He is free to speak his mind, in his own time and not be cancelled.
Read the article in the independent.He is a contractor, so not a direct employee
He isnt in a role that demands impartiality
He is free to speak his mind, in his own time and not be cancelled.
Freelancers have to follow the same guidelines, and the rules I quoted apply outside of the time you're working for the BBC.
So he's (perhaps surprisingly) not free to speak his mind.
Is he going to be cancelled? I'm not convinced. I'm not seeing anywhere where it says the sanction for breaking the guidelines is sacking - presumably they can just send him a letter telling him off if they want.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Blackpuddin said:
For me they contribute little verging on nothing extra to my enjoyment of football on TV. The only thing they are experts in is stating the bleedin obvious.
Probably a separate debate though.If you asked me whether I think Linekar is worth £1.5M or whatever it is I'd probably say no.
That doesn't mean that the BBC seems to have got itself in a right old pickle over this.
People want top ex players to chat about the game. Same in every sport.
Carl_Manchester said:
Dingu said:
His Twitter is his business and the BBC shouldn’t have any say over it.
That's not the way it works for any blue or white collar worker in the U.K/U.S.A.There will be contractual clauses in almost every contract, that is why most people have anon accounts on twitter.
Look at what happened to Gina Carano, Lineker thought he was different and has been thrown under the proverbial media bus.
BikeBikeBIke said:
Castrol for a knave said:
He didn't make the comments in BBC time and pay.
He is a contractor, so not a direct employee
He isnt in a role that demands impartiality
He is free to speak his mind, in his own time and not be cancelled.
Read the article in the independent.He is a contractor, so not a direct employee
He isnt in a role that demands impartiality
He is free to speak his mind, in his own time and not be cancelled.
Freelancers have to follow the same guidelines, and the rules I quoted apply outside of the time you're working for the BBC.
So he's (perhaps surprisingly) not free to speak his mind.
Is he going to be cancelled? I'm not convinced. I'm not seeing anywhere where it says the sanction for breaking the guidelines is sacking - presumably they can just send him a letter telling him off if they want.
BikeBikeBIke said:
rpguk said:
Same bloke a few years ago
Didn't seem to be an issue then.
Decide for yourself - here's the rules:Gary Lineker on Twitter a few years ago said:
Bin Corbyn
https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/854673387565834243?lang=enDidn't seem to be an issue then.
https://www.bbc.com/editorialguidelines/guidance/s...
That link just seems to reinforce the fact that the rules have been selectively enforced based on how triggered the government are and it's a politically motivated attack on free speech.
soupdragon1 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Blackpuddin said:
For me they contribute little verging on nothing extra to my enjoyment of football on TV. The only thing they are experts in is stating the bleedin obvious.
Probably a separate debate though.If you asked me whether I think Linekar is worth £1.5M or whatever it is I'd probably say no.
That doesn't mean that the BBC seems to have got itself in a right old pickle over this.
People want top ex players to chat about the game. Same in every sport.
rscott said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Castrol for a knave said:
He didn't make the comments in BBC time and pay.
He is a contractor, so not a direct employee
He isnt in a role that demands impartiality
He is free to speak his mind, in his own time and not be cancelled.
Read the article in the independent.He is a contractor, so not a direct employee
He isnt in a role that demands impartiality
He is free to speak his mind, in his own time and not be cancelled.
Freelancers have to follow the same guidelines, and the rules I quoted apply outside of the time you're working for the BBC.
So he's (perhaps surprisingly) not free to speak his mind.
Is he going to be cancelled? I'm not convinced. I'm not seeing anywhere where it says the sanction for breaking the guidelines is sacking - presumably they can just send him a letter telling him off if they want.
Blackpuddin said:
Not convinced by this whole idea that fans need to have the game they've just watched 'explained' to them by inarticulate people. Shearer being a prime example, with Wright not far behind.
And don’t forget Micah bleeding Richards. I’d pay my own money to see the back of him.It’s one thing for the multi-millionaire pundits to down tools in “solidarity”, but I can’t see the match commentators or the likes of Mark Chapman being so keen to throw their BBC careers away.
McGee_22 said:
BBC should have just said the twitter remarks are not against any rules but comparing the crackdown on Channel boat crossings to Nazi Germany is spectacularly stupid so we let him go.
I think the BBC should have said he's made various posts over the years that broke the rules and as a consequence they've sent him a strongly worded reprimand in the post and that's the end of it.Unless of course... Could it be that he's pricey and they are glad of an excuse to swap him out without having to pay the rest of his contract?
The idea that anyone would think Lineker's tweets would reflect an editorial position of BBC News is risible. If people can't see the difference between BBC News needing to remain strictly politically neutral and a football pundit mouthing off on Twitter, god help us all. Looks like the Beeb has made a hash of handling this non-event. Bunch of clowns.
E63eeeeee... said:
Are you saying the BBC isn't allowed to criticise or question government policy? Funny kind of impartiality, that.
Not at all - BBC should, and does, but it operates within its mandate of impartiality. This is a straightforward breach of that and the result is inevitable.I don’t disagree with his point although I do with his words - I don’t take the taxpayers shilling though.
Whilst it may well be applauded by many on PH, the narrative coming from the current Home Secretary (and her awful predecessor... Although Braverman is arguably even lower calibre) is fairly unpleasant and the sort of demonising/othering tactic that has been used to stir up support by unpleasant regimes in the past, including in Germany in the 1930s.
I doubt that PM Sunak is that happy about it, but he needs to keep the nutty right of his party on-side, hence the presence of Braverman.
Gary Lineker is hardly expressing the views of the BBC or its news & current affairs sections.
He presents a programme that shows and talks about football, that I don't watch as I have no interest in it.
What he does have is a lot of support across the nation, and expresses compassionate views, which is presumably a concern to the current government and their stooges at the top of the BBC.
I doubt that PM Sunak is that happy about it, but he needs to keep the nutty right of his party on-side, hence the presence of Braverman.
Gary Lineker is hardly expressing the views of the BBC or its news & current affairs sections.
He presents a programme that shows and talks about football, that I don't watch as I have no interest in it.
What he does have is a lot of support across the nation, and expresses compassionate views, which is presumably a concern to the current government and their stooges at the top of the BBC.
WTF has this got to do with Oakeshott???
'Journalist Alastair Campbell, whose podcast is produced by Gary Lineker's firm, suggested BBC chairman Richard Sharp might need to step in, writing: "Can't wait for MotD tomorrow. Presented by Richard Sharp with punditry by Robbie Gibb and Isabel Oakeshott.'
https://news.sky.com/story/match-of-the-day-to-go-...
'Journalist Alastair Campbell, whose podcast is produced by Gary Lineker's firm, suggested BBC chairman Richard Sharp might need to step in, writing: "Can't wait for MotD tomorrow. Presented by Richard Sharp with punditry by Robbie Gibb and Isabel Oakeshott.'
https://news.sky.com/story/match-of-the-day-to-go-...
Biker 1 said:
WTF has this got to do with Oakeshott???
'Journalist Alastair Campbell, whose podcast is produced by Gary Lineker's firm, suggested BBC chairman Richard Sharp might need to step in, writing: "Can't wait for MotD tomorrow. Presented by Richard Sharp with punditry by Robbie Gibb and Isabel Oakeshott.'
https://news.sky.com/story/match-of-the-day-to-go-...
'Journalist Alastair Campbell, whose podcast is produced by Gary Lineker's firm, suggested BBC chairman Richard Sharp might need to step in, writing: "Can't wait for MotD tomorrow. Presented by Richard Sharp with punditry by Robbie Gibb and Isabel Oakeshott.'
https://news.sky.com/story/match-of-the-day-to-go-...
He's joking, obviously....
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