Public emergency alert - being sent to your phone

[Sway]

johnboy1975 said:

Dingu said:

johnboy1975 said:

Why wasn't there an alarm?

Not serious enough?

Too serious?

Do we need a test of the threshold for an alarm? (This might be it, and I'm sure "lessons will be learnt" )

Probably because the system is still being tested.

I thought it had been tested, and was now live?

Getragdogleg said:

Apparently it happened in the early hours of the morning, so if you used the alert you'd be waking most people up to tell them to stay away...

Send it at 730am then, warning them to "stay away from the area". Although would probably have drawn more people in...which was one of the criticisms

OT, it seems to have took an age for the news to have got hold of the story?

So all the fears of it's misuse were bull.

Good decision making at that time of the morning, no need to send out a retrospective alert for something over, etc.

Along with the lack of forecast alerts due to hot weather, it's a bad week for critics of the system.

[NRS]

To be fair to TB we’re getting an alert tomorrow and well as the full air raid sirens, and the weather is hot too. Must be related! It may be in Norway, but I’m sure there’s an evil BBC link somehow too.

[Getragdogleg]

Sway said:

So all the fears of it's misuse were bull.

Good decision making at that time of the morning, no need to send out a retrospective alert for something over, etc.

Along with the lack of forecast alerts due to hot weather, it's a bad week for critics of the system.

Lets hope its always a bad week for critics of the system and the scope creep some of us are mindful of never happens, that way you get to be happy because you were right and those of us who suspect it could be used to warn us of pretty minor or unnecessary things are happy because its not being used to tell us about minor or unnecessary things.

Win win.

Lets come back in few years time and review this topic though, the scope creep rarely turns up straight away and we are in the early days.

[anonymous-user]

Greendubber said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Gazzab said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Gazzab said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Everyone been inundated by alerts due to this hot weather? A number here were saying we would be - have I missed out?

Perhaps it’s because I’m in Quebec at the moment. I did get an alert the other day saying that a 1 year old had been abducted locally. Gave the name of the child and the abductor and details of their car. Seemed like quite a good idea to put people on the look-out. Perhaps those right-wing libertarians who tremble at the very idea of ‘society’ would rather not know about these things?

On the sauce ?

Not yet - a bit early here. Why?

I guess it’s the time difference. All to do with the earth and is orbits.

Does pointing out that’s how not why end this little diversion?

Have another crack at that post.....

[Gazzab]

Getragdogleg said:

johnboy1975 said:

Gazzab said:

Bet the phones in Nottingham are buzzing right now.

Why wasn't there an alarm?

Not serious enough?

Too serious?

Do we need a test of the threshold for an alarm? (This might be it, and I'm sure "lessons will be learnt" )

Apparently it happened in the early hours of the morning, so if you used the alert you'd be waking most people up to tell them to stay away...

Where did you read that? I wonder if the ‘chain of command’ for this is running 24x7 or not.

[Getragdogleg]

Gazzab said:

Getragdogleg said:

johnboy1975 said:

Gazzab said:

Bet the phones in Nottingham are buzzing right now.

Why wasn't there an alarm?

Not serious enough?

Too serious?

Do we need a test of the threshold for an alarm? (This might be it, and I'm sure "lessons will be learnt" )

Apparently it happened in the early hours of the morning, so if you used the alert you'd be waking most people up to tell them to stay away...

Where did you read that? I wonder if the ‘chain of command’ for this is running 24x7 or not.

It was on a news report and also mentioned further up this thread. Id guess the chain of command needs to be 24/7 or its pretty pointless.

[Gary29]

I'm sure it's been said already, but there are so many fkwits in the world now, that if you sent a message saying "Stay away from X" you'd have 100's of people turning up at X with their camera phones trying to get a scoop for likes on social media.

The only potential benefit I can see of this entire alert system is if there is a missing person and they need as many eyes as possible looking for them immediately.

[768]

If the best use case for a textual medium is visual...

[xx99xx]

Getragdogleg said:

Gazzab said:

Getragdogleg said:

johnboy1975 said:

Gazzab said:

Bet the phones in Nottingham are buzzing right now.

Why wasn't there an alarm?

Not serious enough?

Too serious?

Do we need a test of the threshold for an alarm? (This might be it, and I'm sure "lessons will be learnt" )

Apparently it happened in the early hours of the morning, so if you used the alert you'd be waking most people up to tell them to stay away...

Where did you read that? I wonder if the ‘chain of command’ for this is running 24x7 or not.

It was on a news report and also mentioned further up this thread. Id guess the chain of command needs to be 24/7 or its pretty pointless.

Yes, all users and approvers of the alert system are 24/7. If it's out of hours and a responder wants to issue an alert, the cabinet office (final approver of alerts) have someone on duty so they'll get a call at home to prompt them to check their email and get balls rolling.

[abzmike]

NRS said:

To be fair to TB we’re getting an alert tomorrow and well as the full air raid sirens, and the weather is hot too. Must be related! It may be in Norway, but I’m sure there’s an evil BBC link somehow too.

As it happens I was in Norway on Wednesday and they ran a test at noon... Certainly woke the room up when a dozen phones went off, and flashed 2 messages, one in Bokmål, and another helpfully in English for those of us that don't do the lingo.

[Catastrophic Poo]

Sway said:

johnboy1975 said:

Dingu said:

johnboy1975 said:

Why wasn't there an alarm?

Not serious enough?

Too serious?

Do we need a test of the threshold for an alarm? (This might be it, and I'm sure "lessons will be learnt" )

Probably because the system is still being tested.

I thought it had been tested, and was now live?

Getragdogleg said:

Apparently it happened in the early hours of the morning, so if you used the alert you'd be waking most people up to tell them to stay away...

Send it at 730am then, warning them to "stay away from the area". Although would probably have drawn more people in...which was one of the criticisms

OT, it seems to have took an age for the news to have got hold of the story?

So all the fears of it's misuse were bull.

Good decision making at that time of the morning, no need to send out a retrospective alert for something over, etc.

Along with the lack of forecast alerts due to hot weather, it's a bad week for critics of the system.

Yup.

It does seem to make a point to the ‘scope creep’ crowd.

[Gazzab]

Catastrophic Poo said:

Sway said:

johnboy1975 said:

Dingu said:

johnboy1975 said:

Why wasn't there an alarm?

Not serious enough?

Too serious?

Do we need a test of the threshold for an alarm? (This might be it, and I'm sure "lessons will be learnt" )

Probably because the system is still being tested.

I thought it had been tested, and was now live?

Getragdogleg said:

Apparently it happened in the early hours of the morning, so if you used the alert you'd be waking most people up to tell them to stay away...

Send it at 730am then, warning them to "stay away from the area". Although would probably have drawn more people in...which was one of the criticisms

OT, it seems to have took an age for the news to have got hold of the story?

So all the fears of it's misuse were bull.

Good decision making at that time of the morning, no need to send out a retrospective alert for something over, etc.

Along with the lack of forecast alerts due to hot weather, it's a bad week for critics of the system.

Yup.

It does seem to make a point to the ‘scope creep’ crowd.

Does it ? Scope creep is generally something experienced sometime later down the track. So whilst it’s freshly delivered and tested the scope will be safe. Over time as technology evolves, management teams change, the political agenda changes etc then scope could creep. Pedo alerts will be going off daily in Huddersfield and Shorpe.

[Catastrophic Poo]

Gazzab said:

Catastrophic Poo said:

Sway said:

johnboy1975 said:

Dingu said:

johnboy1975 said:

Why wasn't there an alarm?

Not serious enough?

Too serious?

Do we need a test of the threshold for an alarm? (This might be it, and I'm sure "lessons will be learnt" )

Probably because the system is still being tested.

I thought it had been tested, and was now live?

Getragdogleg said:

Apparently it happened in the early hours of the morning, so if you used the alert you'd be waking most people up to tell them to stay away...

Send it at 730am then, warning them to "stay away from the area". Although would probably have drawn more people in...which was one of the criticisms

OT, it seems to have took an age for the news to have got hold of the story?

So all the fears of it's misuse were bull.

Good decision making at that time of the morning, no need to send out a retrospective alert for something over, etc.

Along with the lack of forecast alerts due to hot weather, it's a bad week for critics of the system.

Yup.

It does seem to make a point to the ‘scope creep’ crowd.

Does it ? Scope creep is generally something experienced sometime later down the track. So whilst it’s freshly delivered and tested the scope will be safe. Over time as technology evolves, management teams change, the political agenda changes etc then scope could creep. Pedo alerts will be going off daily in Huddersfield and Shorpe.

I know some might still grasp on to the hope of it being used to oppress us (or even being sent messages when you have changed your settings), but at the moment it’s still very much a wish rather than fact.

[gareth_r]

abzmike said:

As it happens I was in Norway on Wednesday and they ran a test at noon... Certainly woke the room up when a dozen phones went off, and flashed 2 messages, one in Bokmål, and another helpfully in English for those of us that don't do the lingo.

And now I know about the "Norwegian Language Conflict" between Bokmål, Nynorsk, and Samnorsk.

[Gazzab]

Catastrophic Poo said:

Gazzab said:

Catastrophic Poo said:

Sway said:

johnboy1975 said:

Dingu said:

johnboy1975 said:

Why wasn't there an alarm?

Not serious enough?

Too serious?

Do we need a test of the threshold for an alarm? (This might be it, and I'm sure "lessons will be learnt" )

Probably because the system is still being tested.

I thought it had been tested, and was now live?

Getragdogleg said:

Apparently it happened in the early hours of the morning, so if you used the alert you'd be waking most people up to tell them to stay away...

Send it at 730am then, warning them to "stay away from the area". Although would probably have drawn more people in...which was one of the criticisms

OT, it seems to have took an age for the news to have got hold of the story?

So all the fears of it's misuse were bull.

Good decision making at that time of the morning, no need to send out a retrospective alert for something over, etc.

Along with the lack of forecast alerts due to hot weather, it's a bad week for critics of the system.

Yup.

It does seem to make a point to the ‘scope creep’ crowd.

Does it ? Scope creep is generally something experienced sometime later down the track. So whilst it’s freshly delivered and tested the scope will be safe. Over time as technology evolves, management teams change, the political agenda changes etc then scope could creep. Pedo alerts will be going off daily in Huddersfield and Shorpe.

I know some might still grasp on to the hope of it being used to oppress us (or even being sent messages when you have changed your settings), but at the moment it’s still very much a wish rather than fact.

Quite a paranoid perspective. No one “hopes” that it will be used to “oppress” us. Some remain concerned that it might evolve….

[Catastrophic Poo]

Not paranoid, odd way to use the word.

Just interested in how some react to the whole concept, as we saw with the (optional, email) alerts about weather the other week.


Anyhow….

[anonymous-user]

Catastrophic Poo said:

Not paranoid, odd way to use the word.

Just interested in how some react to the whole concept, as we saw with the (optional, email) alerts about weather the other week.


Anyhow….

Yes, and now it’s about “pedo alerts” apparently. Some fertile imaginations at work.

[NRS]

Gazzab said:

Quite a paranoid perspective. No one “hopes” that it will be used to “oppress” us. Some remain concerned that it might evolve….

But will never know, as they turned it off before it even started in case it evolved in the future...

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Getragdogleg said:

Sway said:

So all the fears of it's misuse were bull.

Good decision making at that time of the morning, no need to send out a retrospective alert for something over, etc.

Along with the lack of forecast alerts due to hot weather, it's a bad week for critics of the system.

Lets hope its always a bad week for critics of the system and the scope creep some of us are mindful of never happens, that way you get to be happy because you were right and those of us who suspect it could be used to warn us of pretty minor or unnecessary things are happy because its not being used to tell us about minor or unnecessary things.

Win win.

Lets come back in few years time and review this topic though, the scope creep rarely turns up straight away and we are in the early days.

IMHO that tends to be the "go to" option for most conspiracy theorists

"Ah yes, just because there's no evidence of the Guv'mint doing something evil NOW, doesn't mean that they won't do something evil in the future, and THEN you'll be sorry!!"