Met police institutionally racist, misogynistic, homophobic

[Oliver Hardy]

Over the last few days I keep hearing that the Met is to big to reform. Yesterday on Question Time it was said Theresa May while home secretary refused to tackle the problems in the Met because she thought she couldn't win. Anyone care to explain this. I automatically think of it because of the number of people who work in it, but that is just 45,000, 2.3 million people work for Walmart,

[ZedLeg]

Walmart doesn’t have a union

[SteveStrange]

Oliver Hardy said:

Over the last few days I keep hearing that the Met is to big to reform. Yesterday on Question Time it was said Theresa May while home secretary refused to tackle the problems in the Met because she thought she couldn't win. Anyone care to explain this. I automatically think of it because of the number of people who work in it, but that is just 45,000, 2.3 million people work for Walmart,

That is an insane statistic. More people work for Walmart than live in Slovenia!

[Earthdweller]

ZedLeg said:

Walmart doesn’t have a union

Neither do the Police

[ZedLeg]

Earthdweller said:

ZedLeg said:

Walmart doesn’t have a union

Neither do the Police

Huh shows what I know, didn't realise that any sector had a specific ban on unionising. You learn something new every day.

[s1962a]

QJumper said:

Earthdweller said:

QJumper said:

Earthdweller said:

For context, over a quarter of a million people have served in the Met … there has been one that has abducted, raped and murdered a lone woman, just one in 194 years, just one

As far a I can tell, no-one is accusing the Met of being institutionally abducting, rapist murderers, so that's a bit of a strawman. Nor is anyone suggesting that a quarter of a million officers are wrong 'uns, or even that the majority are.

My full reply that you clipped was in response to a poster that pretty much said just that, hence why I started my post saying he was being ridiculous

In which case I apologise for not reading properly. I took your quote from another post that was clipped.

This is what I had said before the deflective "yeah but look at them" rant. I respect people who work for the police, but at some point the force is going to have to own this and not compare or give a "yeah but" answer when the public talks about their perception. It's important the police have a squeaky clean image, and there are many "low hanging fruit" things that can be done in the short term.

s1926a said:

I drive past the road that Sarah Everard was abducted on - I can't imagine what women walking alone late at night must think when a police car passes them or slows down. How is anyone to know whom from the Police is the bad apple?

[Earthdweller]

ZedLeg said:

Earthdweller said:

ZedLeg said:

Walmart doesn’t have a union

Neither do the Police

Huh shows what I know, didn't realise that any sector had a specific ban on unionising. You learn something new every day.

Following the Police strike of 1919 the law was changed and not only can the police not have a representative union, they are banned from joining any or any political party

The Police Federation was then created to represent officers by the Government, but it is totally toothless (by design)

Police officers do not have the same rights as other workers, they are not employees and have serious restrictions placed on their freedoms

[ZedLeg]

Earthdweller said:

ZedLeg said:

Earthdweller said:

ZedLeg said:

Walmart doesn’t have a union

Neither do the Police

Huh shows what I know, didn't realise that any sector had a specific ban on unionising. You learn something new every day.

Following the Police strike of 1919 the law was changed and not only can the police not have a representative union, they are banned from joining any or any political party

The Police Federation was then created to represent officers by the Government, but it is totally toothless (by design)

Police officers do not have the same rights as other workers, they are not employees and have serious restrictions placed on their freedoms

Yeah, I looked it up after you said. First time I've ever felt sorry for Polis tbh

[Carl_Manchester]

you can shoot the messenger who tells you like it is but you don't have a workable solution .

[Disastrous]

Carl_Manchester said:

you can shoot the messenger who tells you like it is but you don't have a workable solution .

But you’re not telling it like it is. You’re using a flawed metaphor. Criminals aren’t wolves and if they were, sending a wolf to get them wouldn’t be effective as humans are the closest things wolves have to predators.

So your message, such as it is, makes no sense.

[greygoose]

Though this isn’t the Met it shows the lowering of standards, some tt uses the PNC for looking up a girl he sees for no good reason and keeps his job, he should be sacked, disgraceful decision.

[Tango13]

greygoose said:

Though this isn’t the Met it shows the lowering of standards, some tt uses the PNC for looking up a girl he sees for no good reason and keeps his job, he should be sacked, disgraceful decision.

There was a thread on here a few days back about the British Transport Police appealling against a similar decision, the disciplinary panel let the offender keep their job and the BTP wanted him gone, the BTP won the appeal.

Let's see if the Derbyshire Chief Constable has similar levels of integrity

eta link

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/british-tran...

Edited by Tango13 on Saturday 25th March 00:06

[XCP]

Some of these panel decisions do seem rather strange on the face of it.

[ChocolateFrog]

How that's not an open and shut thanks but no thanks I'll never know.

[XCP]

ChocolateFrog said:

How that's not an open and shut thanks but no thanks I'll never know.

You might if there is an appeal and the decision is examined in detail.

[ChocolateFrog]

XCP said:

ChocolateFrog said:

How that's not an open and shut thanks but no thanks I'll never know.

You might if there is an appeal and the decision is examined in detail.

I'd love to hear the mitigating circumstances to abusing public office in order to stalk someone.

Obviously not enough to actually look it up.

[Earthdweller]

XCP said:

Some of these panel decisions do seem rather strange on the face of it.

Indeed they are

I had Pc moved onto my unit as she could not have any involvement with the public nor be involved in the evidence chain

At the time I was running a resource/planning unit with a mix of Police/civilian staff

She had been found guilty of 8 counts of fraud but had not been sacked by the disciplinary panel, she was found guilty of gross misconduct and given a final warning

The chair of the panel was not a Police officer and I think fell for a sob back story

Anyway the problem child worked for me for a few months until one of her Co-workers highlighted to me that she had found that this PC had been submitting overtime claims she had not worked and was not entitled to ( we processed a huge amount of claims through the unit )

When I confronted her she resigned on the spot and subsequently no further action was taken against her ( not my decision, PSB one )

100% if it had been down to the job she would have been sacked on the spot for the first issue and rightly so

[turbobloke]

Earthdweller said:

XCP said:

Some of these panel decisions do seem rather strange on the face of it.

Indeed they are

I had Pc moved onto my unit as she could not have any involvement with the public nor be involved in the evidence chain

At the time I was running a resource/planning unit with a mix of Police/civilian staff

She had been found guilty of 8 counts of fraud but had not been sacked by the disciplinary panel, she was found guilty of gross misconduct and given a final warning

The chair of the panel was not a Police officer and I think fell for a sob back story

Anyway the problem child worked for me for a few months until one of her Co-workers highlighted to me that she had found that this PC had been submitting overtime claims she had not worked and was not entitled to ( we processed a huge amount of claims through the unit )

When I confronted her she resigned on the spot and subsequently no further action was taken against her ( not my decision, PSB one )

100% if it had been down to the job she would have been sacked on the spot for the first issue and rightly so

[XCP]

The public were asking for an independent police disciplinary system, and this is what we end up with. No system is perfect of course.

[Tango13]

XCP said:

The public were asking for an independent police disciplinary system, and this is what we end up with. No system is perfect of course.

Maybe get some of the unhinged police haters from S,P&L to sit on the disciplinary panels, if you can convince them you're an honest stand up copper then you're definitely whiter than white

Joking aside is there any training to sit on one of these panels? I would've thought showing half a dozen examples where the the copper has either been slam dunk guilty or the victim of being screwed over would help with their critical thinking.