Met police institutionally racist, misogynistic, homophobic

[smn159]

SteveStrange said:

I think almost any organisation or body, if investigated to the nth degree, would be found as such.

Bullst.

I work for a large organisation, and I can assure you that no-one gets pissed on or is sexually abused in the showers, is made to eat until they puke or has their beard forcibly shaved off.

[Electro1980]

SteveStrange said:

bmwmike said:

The Met is not just "any institution" though is it - its supposed to uphold the law. Its supposed to lead by example.

Not sure you'd find the same levels of abuse if you investigated the NHS - trimming beards, urinating on staff members. Maybe, dunno - but doubt it exists everywhere. And the place it shouldn't exist - is the police of all places.

I thought the NHS was found to be institutionally racist over it's handling of COVID, the way SAT scanners work etc?

And my post was not meant as a defence of the Met, in any way. They have absolutely not covered themselves in glory at all in any way over the last several years.

Let’s take that at face value and say the NHS is institutional racist. The debate on that is for elsewhere…

There is a fundamental difference between unconscious bias of policies and decision making that failed to take in to account minorities, and the explicit bullying and discrimination the Met is being accused of.

[anonymous-user]

SteveStrange said:

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I think almost any organisation or body, if investigated to the nth degree, would be found as such.

Whilst I think anywhere can have some issues of various kinds, I don't agree with the general premise of every organisation having

The largest organisation I worked for was 3000 employees, and whilst that is small compared to the Met, I very rarely saw any behaviours exhibited by employees that would be racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, and so on. If anything like that did happen, it was taken very seriously, and those individuals didn't last very long. The culture was very much about inclusivity, shared values, people feeling comfortable at work, and so on.

Personally, I really enjoy working in that sort of environment as, to put it bluntly, you know you won't be working with any knuckledraggers, racists, bigots, and so on.

[Bigends]

Just had a skim read
https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/down...

[86]

So why is Mayor Khan still in a job. He has overseen this mess.

[ATG]

86 said:

So why is Mayor Khan still in a job. He has overseen this mess.

Not sure if serious?

[gavsdavs]

ScotHill said:

Is it because London is full of aholes?

Careful now, that chip on your shoulder is developing it's own atmosphere.

[86]

ATG said:

86 said:

So why is Mayor Khan still in a job. He has overseen this mess.

Not sure if serious?

Khan should resign it’s on his watch


https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/ma...

Edited by 86 on Tuesday 21st March 12:46

[ATG]

I thought it was very reassuring how Casey and Rowley made it clear they have confidence in each other, agree on the nature and scale of the problems and actively downplayed the importance of use of specific words like "institutional".

It was equally noticeable how cloth-eared the Met Fed's Marsh was, falling straight into the trap of saying "I don't accept [use of the word institutional]" as if it were a slur on officers who are trying to do a good job, when it clearly isn't. Sound appalled, sound committed to change. It's not a difficult script. Do not sound like you're trying to reject criticism.

[smithyithy]

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[ATG]

86 said:

ATG said:

86 said:

So why is Mayor Khan still in a job. He has overseen this mess.

Not sure if serious?

https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/mayors-office-policing-and-crime-mopac/about-mayors-office-policing-and-crime-mopac/mayor-mopac

Yes, and ... ? Who sacked Cressida Dick and appointed Mark Rowley to give the institution a massive kick up the arse because the existing reform process was making too little progress?

And to respond to your edit, it didn't happen on his watch. It has ALWAYS been this way. What society considers acceptable/tolerable has changed over the decades and some significant areas of the Met have failed to keep up.

Edited by ATG on Tuesday 21st March 12:54

[smn159]

86 said:

Khan should resign it’s on his watch


https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/ma...

Edited by 86 on Tuesday 21st March 12:46

Surprised but not really surprised that you think that Khan bears the most responsibility for this. Can only assume that you have an agenda to push unless you're read the report and concluded - yep, that's all Khans fault - in which case you appear to have comprehension issues.

[Electro1980]

86 said:

ATG said:

86 said:

So why is Mayor Khan still in a job. He has overseen this mess.

Not sure if serious?

Khan should resign it’s on his watch


https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/ma...

Edited by 86 on Tuesday 21st March 12:46

What about Braverman? Surely both are equally responsible?

[86]

ATG said:

86 said:

ATG said:

86 said:

So why is Mayor Khan still in a job. He has overseen this mess.

Not sure if serious?

https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/mayors-office-policing-and-crime-mopac/about-mayors-office-policing-and-crime-mopac/mayor-mopac

Yes, and ... ? Who sacked Cressida Dick and appointed Mark Rowley to give the institution a massive kick up the arse because the existing reform process was making too little progress?

And to respond to your edit, it didn't happen on his watch. It has ALWAYS been this way. What society considers acceptable/tolerable has changed over the decades and some significant areas of the Met have failed to keep up.

Edited by ATG on Tuesday 21st March 12:54

Khan has been responsible for the Met for 7 years. It criticises him in the report saying he is remote and doesn’t even chair a quarterly oversight meeting etc etc

[Freakuk]

I was on holiday with the Shabnam being interviewed in this video, seems she's shocked by what was going on.

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1638096429905321...

[DeejRC]

I’m somewhat amused at the Khan/Braverman angle.
That Khan has seemingly abrogated oversight of his city’s police force seems a bit daft.
For Braverman to be involved/take any grief would indicate that she had somehow actually done something, anything. I’m yet to see any evidence of her ever actually doing anything yet!

Still, the Met needs to take a look at the Army and its reforms post the bullying scandals. And also wth was Cressida Dick upto during her watch - how did she let her force fail basic leadership processes so badly?!

[272BHP]

smn159 said:

Bullst.

I work for a large organisation, and I can assure you that no-one gets pissed on or is sexually abused in the showers, is made to eat until they puke or has their beard forcibly shaved off.

Other transgressions are available and will also be deemed racist, homophobic and misogynistic.

[86]

smn159 said:

86 said:

Khan should resign it’s on his watch


https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/ma...

Edited by 86 on Tuesday 21st March 12:46

Surprised but not really surprised that you think that Khan bears the most responsibility for this. Can only assume that you have an agenda to push unless you're read the report and concluded - yep, that's all Khans fault - in which case you appear to have comprehension issues.

Well he and the Labour run Assembly have had 7 years to sort it out and each review gets worse just like crime in the capital

[s1962a]

86 said:

Well he and the Labour run Assembly have had 7 years to sort it out and each review gets worse just like crime in the capital

Whats changed since the 1999 macpherson report?

Even trying to sack a commissioner due to shortcomings isn't that straightforward for a mayor.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sadiq-khan-...

All this has been going on a long long time.

[ATG]

86 said:

smn159 said:

86 said:

Khan should resign it’s on his watch


https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/ma...

Edited by 86 on Tuesday 21st March 12:46

Surprised but not really surprised that you think that Khan bears the most responsibility for this. Can only assume that you have an agenda to push unless you're read the report and concluded - yep, that's all Khans fault - in which case you appear to have comprehension issues.

Well he and the Labour run Assembly have had 7 years to sort it out and each review gets worse just like crime in the capital

And what did Boris do in the years before, eh?

Trying to blame any mayor or PCC for the deeply ingrained cultural problems of an org like the Met is pretty silly. Having direct interference from a politician into a police force's mgmt would rightly set of alarm bells. They should be appointing chief constables or the equiv and then giving them a fair crack at addressing the org's problems.

Having an independent, outsider's assessment is a hell of a lot better than having Khan dancing round shouting "you're institutionally misogynistic"; you can imagine how well that would have gone down with people like yourself even if it was true.