Met police institutionally racist, misogynistic, homophobic
Discussion
ATG said:
Yes, and ... ? Who sacked Cressida Dick and appointed Mark Rowley to give the institution a massive kick up the arse because the existing reform process was making too little progress?
No one sacked Cressida Dick, she resigned after Khan withdrew his support for her continuing leadership. Something he should have done a couple of years earlier. The Home Secretary appointed Mark Rowley. The state of the Met isn't Khan's fault, but he hasn't done nearly enough.
Tango13 said:
I'd imagine Derek would follow the lead of Buford T. Justice...
There is no way, NO way that you came from my loins. The first thing I'm gonna do when I get home is punch your momma in the mouth.
In many ways I envisage him more as the son in that scenario.There is no way, NO way that you came from my loins. The first thing I'm gonna do when I get home is punch your momma in the mouth.
But we digress from the thread.....................
SteveStrange said:
Electro1980 said:
Almost one in five of Met employees surveyed had personally experienced homophobia
Strange statistic. One in 5 officers, or one in 5 L/G/B/etc officers? Why would (or even, can?) a straight officer, who one would presume make up the majority of the Met, "experience" homophobia? I semi agree with the poster above, the result was always going to end up with the Met being found to be "phobic" in some way, shape or form. I think almost any organisation or body, if investigated to the nth degree, would be found as such.
As for any large organisation being found to be much the same if investigated to the nth degree....utter f
king bks. In fact, many large organisations suffer the opposite problem, where people are often hauled over the coals for remarks or actions that they never considered to be racist, homophobic etc. Plenty of thread of PH with people whinging on about inclusivity training, awareness training and other stuff they dismiss as "woke nonsense". 272BHP said:
smn159 said:
You seem to be trying to cast doubt on the report without actually saying what you think. Why not just make your point instead of dancing around it?
Do you not believe the findings?
I certainly do not believe things are as bad as suggested in that report if I go by the headlines.Do you not believe the findings?
What I do know is that words can be incredibly destructive and reports like this embolden criminals and demotivates good police officers.
Electro1980 said:
Bigends said:
Indeed - and this from todays report
Defensiveness and denial: The Met does not easily accept criticism nor ‘own’ its
failures. It does not embrace or learn from its mistakes. Instead, it starts from a
position that nothing wrong has occurred. It looks for, and latches onto, small flaws in
any criticism, only accepting reluctantly that any wrong-doing has occurred after
incontrovertible evidence has been produced.
Sounds like several people on this thread.Defensiveness and denial: The Met does not easily accept criticism nor ‘own’ its
failures. It does not embrace or learn from its mistakes. Instead, it starts from a
position that nothing wrong has occurred. It looks for, and latches onto, small flaws in
any criticism, only accepting reluctantly that any wrong-doing has occurred after
incontrovertible evidence has been produced.
Terminator X said:
Met police institutionally racist, misogynistic, homophobic
Imho I doubt that, perhaps some odd characters within them yes as per the general population at large. The Met is so large that on %ages alone there will be people like that within their organization.
TX.
Really? The behaviour that has been described, and apparently not dealt with, is the kind of behaviour that in any other organisation would get you told to hand over your pass, get out the door right now, and you can come back next week to collect your stuff accompanied by a security.Imho I doubt that, perhaps some odd characters within them yes as per the general population at large. The Met is so large that on %ages alone there will be people like that within their organization.
TX.
Tango13 said:
Indeed, I was once followed home by an idiot of a British transport plod for speeding, when I pointed out the dual carriageway was a 70 limit he stood there for a few seconds like a fish out of water, blank expression and jaw moving but not speaking and then accused me of 42 in a 40 limit. I told him there was no way he could touch me for that either, few more seconds of the fish routine from him before some bks about not indicating.
He was unable to process the fact that he had made a mistake, he had to have the last word and made himself look even more stupid every time he tried.
If the police at the sharp end are too stupid to accept their failings and mistakes then there's no hope for the senior ranks.
Lessons won't be learned until the police gain sufficient self awareness to realise they are failing
Do the BTP have any jurisdiction to issue speeding fines?ks about not indicating.He was unable to process the fact that he had made a mistake, he had to have the last word and made himself look even more stupid every time he tried.
If the police at the sharp end are too stupid to accept their failings and mistakes then there's no hope for the senior ranks.
Lessons won't be learned until the police gain sufficient self awareness to realise they are failing
Biggy Stardust said:
Oliver Hardy said:
We had a woman in charge of this sexist organisation for five years and an Asian man in charge for 7 years of this racist organisation.
Not very effective, were they?Not quite top top brass but how about DAC (Baron) Brian Paddick.
Both not very effective presumably? Which is how one is a Life Peer and the other is likely well on the way to a K or a P, just a matter of time and short memories.
Oliver Hardy said:
We had a woman in charge of this sexist organisation for five years and an Asian man in charge for 7 years of this racist organisation.
I don't know why people are fastening onto these facts as if they somehow matter?Clearly the Met has built up it's cultural identity over decades. The strategic leadership coming down from the mayor and Chief constable is one thing, but as everyone knows, culture eats strategy for breakfast.
The Met - the individual officers that make up the Met, have a choice to make:
-to accept something is seriously wrong with their organisation, and start to be part of the solution, or
- to keep looking for reasons why it's not their fault, or the report is wrong, or because Khan or because Crescida.
In other words: continue to be part of the problem.
I know parts of the military have problems with behaviour (Australian sas is probably an understatement), I know the fire brigade do, and have heard disturbing rumours about an ambulance service too.
I can't accept that these command and control type orgasations just "work" this way. It's just not good enough.
Ian Geary said:
Oliver Hardy said:
We had a woman in charge of this sexist organisation for five years and an Asian man in charge for 7 years of this racist organisation.
I don't know why people are fastening onto these facts as if they somehow matter?.
There was a pice on Nick Ferrari this morning where they played an interview with the Met Commissioner at the time of the Macpherson report and he said he didn't accept the use of the word "Institutional".
Today with the new report he interviewed the current Met Commissioner who said he didn't accept the use of the word "Institutional".
But yeah definitely no denial.
Today with the new report he interviewed the current Met Commissioner who said he didn't accept the use of the word "Institutional".
But yeah definitely no denial.
Oliver Hardy said:
Ian Geary said:
Oliver Hardy said:
We had a woman in charge of this sexist organisation for five years and an Asian man in charge for 7 years of this racist organisation.
I don't know why people are fastening onto these facts as if they somehow matter?.
Have you any ideas on how to remodel the Mets so as to eliminate the culture?
Isn't that what needs to be addressed rather than the gender and race of those in charge?
Derek Smith said:
What do you suggest they could have done?
Their jobs.Derek Smith said:
Have you any ideas on how to remodel the Mets so as to eliminate the culture?
Discipline or possibly sack those who are naughty. Criminal proceedings where justifiable. You only have to deal with a few before the messages gets through. I realise how daft an idea this is- people can't possibly be held responsible or accountable for their actions.Biggy Stardust said:
Derek Smith said:
What do you suggest they could have done?
Their jobs.Derek Smith said:
Have you any ideas on how to remodel the Mets so as to eliminate the culture?
Discipline or possibly sack those who are naughty. Criminal proceedings where justifiable. You only have to deal with a few before the messages gets through. I realise how daft an idea this is- people can't possibly be held responsible or accountable for their actions.I’ve read some of the report, not all yet though
I think the report is pretty spot on and isn’t far from what myself and other serving and former officers have been saying on here for years
Set aside the headlines of mysogeny, racism, sexism etc and look beyond that
The train set is broken
Problems highlighted
Recruitment .. not up to standard
Training … not up to standard
Vetting .. outsourced and not upto standard
HR .. outsourced and not upto standard
Front line officers massively overworked under appreciated and not supported by senior management
Front line leaders ( Sgt’s, Inspectors ) the really critical ones, likewise and with workloads and responsibilities beyond their capacity to effectively manage
Promotion process not fit for purpose nor promoting the right people
And so it goes on and on, it’s underfunded and underesourced
Response and neighbourhood policing has all but been abandoned with the BCU ( huge area, no local police Stns ) model not being fit for purpose
But as the report said:
Yes, it’s broken but as above it is still full of decent, honest hardworking staff who really want to do the best they can
I have my views on how it has been broken and by whom and also a view that it really needs to go back to basics starting with vetting, training, robust front line leadership and re establishing local and community policing as a basis
And finally .. this report could be written in most parts for every police force in the land to varying degrees .. it isn’t just a Met thing
I think the report is pretty spot on and isn’t far from what myself and other serving and former officers have been saying on here for years
Set aside the headlines of mysogeny, racism, sexism etc and look beyond that
The train set is broken
Problems highlighted
Recruitment .. not up to standard
Training … not up to standard
Vetting .. outsourced and not upto standard
HR .. outsourced and not upto standard
Front line officers massively overworked under appreciated and not supported by senior management
Front line leaders ( Sgt’s, Inspectors ) the really critical ones, likewise and with workloads and responsibilities beyond their capacity to effectively manage
Promotion process not fit for purpose nor promoting the right people
And so it goes on and on, it’s underfunded and underesourced
Response and neighbourhood policing has all but been abandoned with the BCU ( huge area, no local police Stns ) model not being fit for purpose
But as the report said:
Yes, it’s broken but as above it is still full of decent, honest hardworking staff who really want to do the best they can
I have my views on how it has been broken and by whom and also a view that it really needs to go back to basics starting with vetting, training, robust front line leadership and re establishing local and community policing as a basis
And finally .. this report could be written in most parts for every police force in the land to varying degrees .. it isn’t just a Met thing
Earthdweller said:
I’ve read some of the report, not all yet though
I think the report is pretty spot on and isn’t far from what myself and other serving and former officers have been saying on here for years
Set aside the headlines of mysogeny, racism, sexism etc and look beyond that
The train set is broken
Problems highlighted
Recruitment .. not up to standard
Training … not up to standard
Vetting .. outsourced and not upto standard
HR .. outsourced and not upto standard
Front line officers massively overworked under appreciated and not supported by senior management
Front line leaders ( Sgt’s, Inspectors ) the really critical ones, likewise and with workloads and responsibilities beyond their capacity to effectively manage
Promotion process not fit for purpose nor promoting the right people
And so it goes on and on, it’s underfunded and underesourced
Response and neighbourhood policing has all but been abandoned with the BCU ( huge area, no local police Stns ) model not being fit for purpose
But as the report said:
Yes, it’s broken but as above it is still full of decent, honest hardworking staff who really want to do the best they can
I have my views on how it has been broken and by whom and also a view that it really needs to go back to basics starting with vetting, training, robust front line leadership and re establishing local and community policing as a basis
And finally .. this report could be written in most parts for every police force in the land to varying degrees .. it isn’t just a Met thing
Thanks really good to hear a no excuses summary from someone in the knowI think the report is pretty spot on and isn’t far from what myself and other serving and former officers have been saying on here for years
Set aside the headlines of mysogeny, racism, sexism etc and look beyond that
The train set is broken
Problems highlighted
Recruitment .. not up to standard
Training … not up to standard
Vetting .. outsourced and not upto standard
HR .. outsourced and not upto standard
Front line officers massively overworked under appreciated and not supported by senior management
Front line leaders ( Sgt’s, Inspectors ) the really critical ones, likewise and with workloads and responsibilities beyond their capacity to effectively manage
Promotion process not fit for purpose nor promoting the right people
And so it goes on and on, it’s underfunded and underesourced
Response and neighbourhood policing has all but been abandoned with the BCU ( huge area, no local police Stns ) model not being fit for purpose
But as the report said:
Yes, it’s broken but as above it is still full of decent, honest hardworking staff who really want to do the best they can
I have my views on how it has been broken and by whom and also a view that it really needs to go back to basics starting with vetting, training, robust front line leadership and re establishing local and community policing as a basis
And finally .. this report could be written in most parts for every police force in the land to varying degrees .. it isn’t just a Met thing
Seems to me that although the racism misogyny and miscellaneous bad behaviour are the froth on the top of a very bad bad pint. It's the attention to recruitment, vetting, training, HR, promotion leadership etc. are the nuts and bolts that need addressing
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