World Athletics transgender women ban

World Athletics transgender women ban

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chrispmartha

15,525 posts

130 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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J4CKO said:
How many male to female trans athletes are there out there ?

This all gets a lot of airtime and I can see why, but are their legions of trans women wanting to compete in various sports ? I have heard of a swimmer and a weightlifter, are there many more ?
There's such a minuscule amount of Trans Athletes well trans people in General, the coverage this issue seems to get from some quarters is ridiculously over the top.

It must be horrible as a Transgender person to see the issue being used as culture wars/political football.

bennno

11,688 posts

270 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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chrispmartha said:
There's such a minuscule amount of Trans Athletes well trans people in General, the coverage this issue seems to get from some quarters is ridiculously over the top.

It must be horrible as a Transgender person to see the issue being used as culture wars/political football.
Given how minuscule the situation is then it’s quite remarkable just how well the very, very few trans women who compete have done to reach the absolute top of the female categories of their respective sports.

BabySharkDD

15,077 posts

170 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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“Men banned from participating in women’s sports”

Never thought I’d see that as a headline. No wonder the Daily Mash has pretty much given up laugh

plenty

4,715 posts

187 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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bennno said:
Given how minuscule the situation is then it’s quite remarkable just how well the very, very few trans women who compete have done to reach the absolute top of the female categories of their respective sports.
Who is that exactly?

E63eeeeee...

3,928 posts

50 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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BikeBikeBIke said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Only if you're easily persuaded by people asking disingenuously over-simplistic questions.
It's not really over simplistic is it?

There are two valid definitions of woman:

1) The one your doctor would use.
2) Someone who self identifies as a woman.

Now age, that's complicated.... Very few people *feel* *exactly* their age.
I love it when people think they're disagreeing with you but are actually proving the point you just made.

BikeBikeBIke

8,149 posts

116 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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E63eeeeee... said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Only if you're easily persuaded by people asking disingenuously over-simplistic questions.
It's not really over simplistic is it?

There are two valid definitions of woman:

1) The one your doctor would use.
2) Someone who self identifies as a woman.

Now age, that's complicated.... Very few people *feel* *exactly* their age.
I love it when people think they're disagreeing with you but are actually proving the point you just made.
?

bennno

11,688 posts

270 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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plenty said:
bennno said:
Given how minuscule the situation is then it’s quite remarkable just how well the very, very few trans women who compete have done to reach the absolute top of the female categories of their respective sports.
Who is that exactly?
https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/3/1/22948400/transgender-trans-athlete-championship-national-world-title

Gecko1978

9,764 posts

158 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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plenty said:
bennno said:
Given how minuscule the situation is then it’s quite remarkable just how well the very, very few trans women who compete have done to reach the absolute top of the female categories of their respective sports.
Who is that exactly?
Rachel Mckinon cycling, Laurel Hubard weight lifting, Tiffany Abreu volley ball

plenty

4,715 posts

187 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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bennno said:
plenty said:
bennno said:
Given how minuscule the situation is then it’s quite remarkable just how well the very, very few trans women who compete have done to reach the absolute top of the female categories of their respective sports.
Who is that exactly?
https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/3/1/22948400/transgender-trans-athlete-championship-national-world-title
Thank you.

Gecko1978 said:
Rachel Mckinon cycling, Laurel Hubard weight lifting, Tiffany Abreu volley ball
None of whom are near to even close to the 'very top'. Their fame comes from being trans. Other sportswomen at their level are mostly unknown.

Milkyway

9,485 posts

54 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Gender & Sex aren’t the same thing...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OYdeRz9w3Gw

irc

7,371 posts

137 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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plenty said:
None of whom are near to even close to the 'very top'. Their fame comes from being trans. Other sportswomen at their level are mostly unknown.
"Hubbard is ranked 7th in the IWF’s women’s +87kg division"

7th in the world looks pretty close to the top to me.

https://olympics.com/en/news/laurel-hubbard-new-ze...

Gecko1978

9,764 posts

158 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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plenty said:
bennno said:
plenty said:
bennno said:
Given how minuscule the situation is then it’s quite remarkable just how well the very, very few trans women who compete have done to reach the absolute top of the female categories of their respective sports.
Who is that exactly?
https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/3/1/22948400/transgender-trans-athlete-championship-national-world-title
Thank you.

Gecko1978 said:
Rachel Mckinon cycling, Laurel Hubard weight lifting, Tiffany Abreu volley ball
None of whom are near to even close to the 'very top'. Their fame comes from being trans. Other sportswomen at their level are mostly unknown.
Laurel got the the Olympics

Rachel McKinnon is a Canadian competitive cyclist and transgender rights activist who won the UCI Women’’s Masters Track World Championship for the women’s 35–44 age bracket in 2018, becoming the first transgender world champion in track cycling

Tifanny Abreu (born 1984, Goiás, Brazil) is a Brazilian volleyball player. She was the first trans woman to play in the Brazilian Women's Volleyball Superliga. Before playing in women's championships, she competed as a man for Superliga A and B in Brazil, and other championships in the leagues


They all seem fairly top flight to me

S600BSB

4,798 posts

107 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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MDMA . said:
The sensible thing to do would be to scrap the male/female categories and people as individuals compete to see who is the best/quickest/strongest at any one sport.
Full equality for all.
You clearly aren't a sports fan.

Milkyway

9,485 posts

54 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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S600BSB said:
MDMA . said:
The sensible thing to do would be to scrap the male/female categories and people as individuals compete to see who is the best/quickest/strongest at any one sport.
Full equality for all.
You clearly aren't a sports fan.
Or just have a whole new category.


BikeBikeBIke

8,149 posts

116 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Milkyway said:
Or just have a whole new category.
Even easier just take sex and gender out of it all together and have one category for XX chromosomes and one category of 'other'.

Nobody is excluded or put in any gender/sex category, and everybody is happy.

...and it 100pc captures the people who definately didn't get a massive testosterone boost in development without even needing to consider their gender.

Obviously we still need to consider Paralympics. If someone identifies as disabled in some way....

98elise

26,711 posts

162 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Last Visit said:
That expression 'assigned at birth'. I find it amusing.

My penis was attached to me at birth, there was no assigning involved. It's not like they came around handing them out.
Sex isn't assigned at birth, it's observed.

irc

7,371 posts

137 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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We are over complicating this.

"The simple truth is that transwomen are male and therefore should compete against other males."

"transwomen must now compete against their own sex and rightly so. Whatever our blood testosterone, we continue to enjoy male advantage over females. I should know; I am one."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-did-it-tak...

SlimJim16v

5,702 posts

144 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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It's the only sensible decision and should stop a lot of the negative press the trans community are getting.

chrispmartha

15,525 posts

130 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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SlimJim16v said:
It's the only sensible decision and should stop a lot of the negative press the trans community are getting.
Yeah right, that’s not going to happen.

plenty

4,715 posts

187 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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SlimJim16v said:
It...should stop a lot of the negative press the trans community are getting.
Quite the opposite, as the article linked in the post immediately previous to this one illustrates all too well sadly.
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