World Athletics transgender women ban

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bobbo89 said:

chrispmartha said:

bobbo89 said:

chrispmartha said:

There are many things that are clearly gender specific that have nothing to do with biology.

Please divulge. I suspect we might be going to my point about stereotypes but I still want to know.....

Well, would you say wearing a skirt is anything to do with biology? Wearing eye shadow? High Heels?

These are clearly things that are associated with gender, and are not biological. So to try deny gender is a thing seems pretty ridiculous.

I wasn't expecting it to be that easy.

So women = skirts, makeup and high heels?

All just stereotypes, you lot aren't right!

Pretty sure that's not what chrispmartha said and your just projecting your own failed argument onto them.

[Randy Winkman]

bobbo89 said:

chrispmartha said:

bobbo89 said:

chrispmartha said:

There are many things that are clearly gender specific that have nothing to do with biology.

Please divulge. I suspect we might be going to my point about stereotypes but I still want to know.....

Well, would you say wearing a skirt is anything to do with biology? Wearing eye shadow? High Heels?

These are clearly things that are associated with gender, and are not biological. So to try deny gender is a thing seems pretty ridiculous.

I wasn't expecting it to be that easy.

So women = skirts, makeup and high heels?

All just stereotypes, you lot aren't right!

Skirts, make up and high heels are things you might expect to find in a "Women's clothes shop". Which is something you might find if you search "Women's clothes shops near me" on the internet. It doesn't matter what your personal views are on who might wear such things that's just the real world. Gender and stuff relating it are just part of the world which is why the topic is so important to lots of people.

[chrispmartha]

bobbo89 said:

chrispmartha said:

bobbo89 said:

chrispmartha said:

There are many things that are clearly gender specific that have nothing to do with biology.

Please divulge. I suspect we might be going to my point about stereotypes but I still want to know.....

Well, would you say wearing a skirt is anything to do with biology? Wearing eye shadow? High Heels?

These are clearly things that are associated with gender, and are not biological. So to try deny gender is a thing seems pretty ridiculous.

I wasn't expecting it to be that easy.

So women = skirts, makeup and high heels?

All just stereotypes, you lot aren't right!

I really didn’t say women = skirts, make up and high heels, thats you reducing what I'm saying to your level to try make a stupid point.

They are just some things associated with gender. I could name hundreds more for both genders.

It’s really not a controversial statement that you think it is.

[McGee_22]

chrispmartha said:

Does it?

It’s meaning is the opposite of trans, seems to me the people that really dislike the term cis are those that really don’t want the word trans to exist.

It might seem that way to you but to others, the people who want the term CIS to exist are those that don't want the word female to simply denote what it has done for thousands of years, a female.

[chrispmartha]

McGee_22 said:

chrispmartha said:

Does it?

It’s meaning is the opposite of trans, seems to me the people that really dislike the term cis are those that really don’t want the word trans to exist.

It might seem that way to you but to others, the people who want the term CIS to exist are those that don't want the word female to simply denote what it has done for thousands of years, a female.

But the word CIS literally does exist as does trans.

Trans gender people exist, they have done for thousands of years.

[carlo996]

chrispmartha said:

Does it?

It’s meaning is the opposite of trans, seems to me the people that really dislike the term cis are those that really don’t want the word trans to exist.

Why are you so hell bent on apologising for men competing in womens sports?

[chrispmartha]

carlo996 said:

chrispmartha said:

Does it?

It’s meaning is the opposite of trans, seems to me the people that really dislike the term cis are those that really don’t want the word trans to exist.

Why are you so hell bent on apologising for men competing in womens sports?

Where have I done that?

My opinion is that if the governing body of that sport deems transgender people shouldn’t be competing in certain categories in their sport then that is fine and up to that governing body to make that decision.

That doesn’t mean Gender doesn’t exist and Trans People don’t deserve respect or not have the right to exist.

[chrispmartha]

MrsMiggins said:

chrispmartha said:

There are many things that are clearly gender specific that have nothing to do with biology.

In women's sport?

I’ve outlined my position on sport above.

[carlo996]

chrispmartha said:

Where have I done that?

My opinion is that if the governing body of that sport deems transgender people shouldn’t be competing in certain categories in their sport then that is fine and up to that governing body to make that decision.

That doesn’t mean Gender doesn’t exist and Trans People don’t deserve respect or not have the right to exist.

Yes, congratulations on the word salad, but specifically do you think that a trans man should be free to compete in womens sport. A simple yes or no will do it.

[MrsMiggins]

chrispmartha said:

I’ve outlined my position on sport above.

Yeah, I just deleted my post because I didn't realise the thread had moved on.

[MrsMiggins]

carlo996 said:

Yes, congratulations on the word salad, but specifically do you think that a trans man should be free to compete in womens sport. A simple yes or no will do it.

now you've done it. Trans man... is that a man who says he's a woman or a woman who says she's a man?

[chrispmartha]

carlo996 said:

chrispmartha said:

Where have I done that?

My opinion is that if the governing body of that sport deems transgender people shouldn’t be competing in certain categories in their sport then that is fine and up to that governing body to make that decision.

That doesn’t mean Gender doesn’t exist and Trans People don’t deserve respect or not have the right to exist.

Yes, congratulations on the word salad, but specifically do you think that a trans man should be free to compete in womens sport. A simple yes or no will do it.

It would probably help if you actually tried to use the correct terms so we know what you are on about.

Its you that want Trans Men to actually compete in women’s sports ;-)

t’s not a simple yes or no answer, I've outlined my position a few posts up, wether you think its word salad doesn’t really bother me.

Edited by chrispmartha on Sunday 17th December 21:41

[chrispmartha]

MrsMiggins said:

carlo996 said:

Yes, congratulations on the word salad, but specifically do you think that a trans man should be free to compete in womens sport. A simple yes or no will do it.

now you've done it. Trans man... is that a man who says he's a woman or a woman who says she's a man?

I would have thought someone who seems so invested in trans issues would actually know?

[carlo996]

chrispmartha said:

It would probably help if you actually tried to use the correct terms so we know what you are on about.

Its you that want Trans Men to actually compete in women’s sports ;-)

t’s not a simple yes or no answer, I've outlined my position a few posts up, wether you think its word salad doesn’t really bother me.

Edited by chrispmartha on Sunday 17th December 21:41

I think you're just blowing smoke tbh. It's a very simple answer and if you cannot decide if it's right for a man should compete in a womens sport then you're probably not the best person to debate anything with. As for 'using the correct terms', biological man, biological woman. How about you get your head around that simple concept in respect to gender

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It's almost like it would be useful to have words to describe both groups.

[chrispmartha]

carlo996 said:

chrispmartha said:

It would probably help if you actually tried to use the correct terms so we know what you are on about.

Its you that want Trans Men to actually compete in women’s sports ;-)

t’s not a simple yes or no answer, I've outlined my position a few posts up, wether you think its word salad doesn’t really bother me.

Edited by chrispmartha on Sunday 17th December 21:41

I think you're just blowing smoke tbh. It's a very simple answer and if you cannot decide if it's right for a man should compete in a womens sport then you're probably not the best person to debate anything with. As for 'using the correct terms', biological man, biological woman. How about you get your head around that simple concept in respect to gender

And you’re a great person to ‘debate’ with. You want a yes or no answer, presumably because it’s simple, well sorry life isn’t simple.

I’ve outlined my position on sport, what I've said is really not that controversial, which part do you disagree with?

[carlo996]

chrispmartha said:

And you’re a great person to ‘debate’ with. You want a yes or no answer, presumably because it’s simple, well sorry life isn’t simple.

I’ve outlined my position on sport, what I've said is really not that controversial, which part do you disagree with?

That men shouldn't be allowed to compete with women in their sports.

Very simple.

It's also remarkable that individuals who identify as trans routinely moan about everyone not respecting their preferences. Despite their preferences contravening the fundamentals of sport.

[chrispmartha]

carlo996 said:

chrispmartha said:

And you’re a great person to ‘debate’ with. You want a yes or no answer, presumably because it’s simple, well sorry life isn’t simple.

I’ve outlined my position on sport, what I've said is really not that controversial, which part do you disagree with?

That men shouldn't be allowed to compete with women in their sports.

Very simple.

It's also remarkable that individuals who identify as trans routinely moan about everyone not respecting their preferences. Despite their preferences contravening the fundamentals of sport.

The fact that you can’t even use the words trans women speaks volumes and shows you’re not actually up for a grown up ‘debate’ on the issue at all.

Ive said im fine with governing bodies deciding its not fair for trans people to compete in certain categories of sport, which part of that do you disagree with?

[carlo996]

chrispmartha said:

The fact that you can’t even use the words trans women speaks volumes and shows you’re not actually up for a grown up ‘debate’ on the issue at all.

Ive said im fine with governing bodies deciding its not fair for trans people to compete in certain categories of sport, which part of that do you disagree with?

Because a trans woman is a biological man. Is it not?

[chrispmartha]

carlo996 said:

chrispmartha said:

The fact that you can’t even use the words trans women speaks volumes and shows you’re not actually up for a grown up ‘debate’ on the issue at all.

Ive said im fine with governing bodies deciding its not fair for trans people to compete in certain categories of sport, which part of that do you disagree with?

Because a trans woman is a biological man. Is it not?

You didn’t use the term biological man though did you, which part of my opinion do you disagree with?