RAF Scampton

[IroningMan]

Frik said:

pequod said:

valiant said:

I suppose they could actually process them quicker…

Indeed! No papers >>>

But seriously, we've had more asylum seekers in the past and managed to process their claims quicker than we do now. So what's changed?

The need to generate froth-inducing headlines for the Tory base. The length of time it takes to process asylum claims - just to the initial decision, not including any appeal - is disgraceful and deliberate.

[pequod]

Frik said:

pequod said:

valiant said:

I suppose they could actually process them quicker…

Indeed! No papers >>>

But seriously, we've had more asylum seekers in the past and managed to process their claims quicker than we do now. So what's changed?

Far more arriving without documentation so causing a longer processing time, plus legal challenges to prevent deportation, maybe?

Just a guess, but did those higher number of asylum applicants in the past turn up in rubber boats compared to today?

[valiant]

pequod said:

Frik said:

pequod said:

valiant said:

I suppose they could actually process them quicker…

Indeed! No papers >>>

But seriously, we've had more asylum seekers in the past and managed to process their claims quicker than we do now. So what's changed?

Far more arriving without documentation so causing a longer processing time, plus legal challenges to prevent deportation, maybe?

Just a guess, but did those higher number of asylum applicants in the past turn up in rubber boats compared to today?

Used to come in the backs of lorries for years before the government actually invested money in equipment to detect them and putting the onus (and fines) on lorry drivers to secure their wagons and even then people still get through.

Not much has changed except the method of entry.

[Eric Mc]

I can pretty safely predict that the Scampton plan will go the same way as the Ruanda plan.

[cossy400]

It would never go through but "No papers"
"No money"

You ll be on the 1st boat out of here end of.

Woman on talk radio yesterday from Brighton saying some of the ones she spoke to actually want to go home as there mental health is deteriorating from being locked up and not eating properly.

She was teaching them English on a voluntary basis.

[andyA700]

pablo said:

One could argue the wrong decision was back in 2016…there are a number of better options for this situation, but this is the one that gets the most people angry so it wins.

This is simply a self inflicted Tory policy failure.

If they really wanted to “stop the boats”, they would reopen the border controls in Calais but that wouldn’t help the image of “taking back control” and may even disprove whether Boris actually did “get Brexit done”…

Edited by pablo on Wednesday 29th March 18:11

Do you really think that illegal immigrants rock up at border control with their inflateable and launch it from the docks?
It is the likes of me and other law abiding citizens who rock up at border conrols with our cars and passports and go through all the procedures.

https://www.portboulognecalais.fr/en/preparing-you...

[Byker28i]

Eric Mc said:

I can pretty safely predict that the Scampton plan will go the same way as the Ruanda plan.

Or Penally in Pembrokeshire? They tried that there
https://www.tenby-today.co.uk/news/a-farewell-to-f...

[andyA700]

bhstewie said:

Afghan pilot who served with British forces and fled to UK in small boat facing deportation to Rwanda

That is the ultimate clickbait article, which is based on generalisation of the situation.

[BobToc]

I’m a little suspicious of how many people objecting to this could have named RAF Scampton six months ago.

[Mr Dendrite]

Not the first time as others have said. RAF Oakington, now the site of Northstowe, was an Immigration reception centre from 2000 to 2010. I’m sure all the lessons learned there will be applied effectively

[Electro1980]

cossy400 said:

It would never go through but "No papers"
"No money"

You ll be on the 1st boat out of here end of.

It’ll never go through because it’s a stupid idea. Reject anyone without paperwork because reasons? What about the vast majority of the world who don’t have “papers”? Or all of those who have had them confiscated at some point, for example anyone who fled Iraq to go to an asylum camp in Syria or Turkey, only to find themselves fleeing those places because of war? Or those who have to flee with little to no notice, like the Afghan people who worked for us (and were then told to go to the Taliban to get paperwork…).

[anonymous-user]

andyA700 said:

pablo said:

One could argue the wrong decision was back in 2016…there are a number of better options for this situation, but this is the one that gets the most people angry so it wins.

This is simply a self inflicted Tory policy failure.

If they really wanted to “stop the boats”, they would reopen the border controls in Calais but that wouldn’t help the image of “taking back control” and may even disprove whether Boris actually did “get Brexit done”…

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 29th March 18:11

Do you really think that illegal immigrants rock up at border control with their inflateable and launch it from the docks?
It is the likes of me and other law abiding citizens who rock up at border conrols with our cars and passports and go through all the procedures.

https://www.portboulognecalais.fr/en/preparing-you...

Clearly some have no intent on claiming asylum and want/have to disappear into the black economy but the graphic I posted also clearly states that some are genuinely seeking asylum. They are the ones who can be processed on French soil, as happened prior to the withdrawal from the Dublin 3 Treaty.

This government have created an artificial humanitarian crisis on British soil from their own policy decisions, and now hope to prolong it so they can say at the next election they have the solution for it…

I’ve been to Scampton a few times for meetings, there really aren’t that many “historic buildings” left that you wouldn’t condemn so the Governments promise to protect them is pretty much a nothing statement but appeals to some.

Housing asylum seekers there is far better than hotels but it’s not the best solution for them, us as taxpayers or the global migrant problem

[anonymous-user]

pequod said:

bhstewie said:

Afghan pilot who served with British forces and fled to UK in small boat facing deportation to Rwanda

Shocking, if true?

Shouldn't the UN simply take over the country, and provide a safe, democratic, environment for all, or a means to apply for asylum on the borders of Afghanistan?

Or, maybe the UN could support those who will stand and fight for democracy in their own country??

That you started this thread and we’re unaware of this speaks volumes. Be outraged all you want but remember the root cause of all this is not the people seeking asylum

[pequod]

pablo said:

pequod said:

bhstewie said:

Afghan pilot who served with British forces and fled to UK in small boat facing deportation to Rwanda

Shocking, if true?

Shouldn't the UN simply take over the country, and provide a safe, democratic, environment for all, or a means to apply for asylum on the borders of Afghanistan?

Or, maybe the UN could support those who will stand and fight for democracy in their own country??

That you started this thread and we’re unaware of this speaks volumes. Be outraged all you want but remember the root cause of all this is not the people seeking asylum

That you consider I'm outraged speaks volumes. If you care to re-read my OP I started this thread to discuss the use of RAF Scampton as an asylum holding centre.

[oyster]

In a country with spiralling prices, caused in part by serious shortages of workers, why is there such vehement opposition to just letting a few thousand (plainly driven and determined) people into the UK to boost our economy?

[anonymous-user]

pequod said:

pablo said:

pequod said:

bhstewie said:

Afghan pilot who served with British forces and fled to UK in small boat facing deportation to Rwanda

Shocking, if true?

Shouldn't the UN simply take over the country, and provide a safe, democratic, environment for all, or a means to apply for asylum on the borders of Afghanistan?

Or, maybe the UN could support those who will stand and fight for democracy in their own country??

That you started this thread and we’re unaware of this speaks volumes. Be outraged all you want but remember the root cause of all this is not the people seeking asylum

That you consider I'm outraged speaks volumes. If you care to re-read my OP I started this thread to discuss the use of RAF Scampton as an asylum holding centre.

Fair enough, my misunderstanding

[BikeBikeBIke]

oyster said:

In a country with spiralling prices, caused in part by serious shortages of workers, why is there such vehement opposition to just letting a few thousand (plainly driven and determined) people into the UK to boost our economy?

A vast number of the things everyone complains about are just proxy issues for population increase.

People say they want growth, but then fight anything that supports growth.

So yeah, ask someone if they want a few thousand extra workers they'll say yes. Then try to put a housing Estate, a Doctor's and and school on Hyde Park* to accommodate the extra people and they'll firmly say no.

Perhaps the real question is, why don't places with declining populations and/or loads of space welcome new people? Scotland has a ton of space and near non-existent population growth. They should be using immigration to substantially increase their population.

In an ideal world we'd have a static population, and when we wanted growth we'd build new accomodation/schools/busineses in the places we want and they say "Ok, we need x number of people in you come." The reality is we'd find there is almost nowhere we *want* to cover in concrete. Jesus, even an airfield is deemed unsuitable for development!

-*Insert open space near to your own location.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Thursday 30th March 10:25

[Biggy Stardust]

cossy400 said:

Woman on talk radio yesterday from Brighton saying some of the ones she spoke to actually want to go home as there mental health is deteriorating from being locked up and not eating properly.

If they pop down to the right beach they could find a rubber boat with acouple of discarded lifejackets & paddle their way straight back. There might even be an engine if they get a gallon or so of petrol.
They have relevant experience on the subject ...........

[pequod]

Back on topic, I am not against the use of abandoned airfields to house asylum seekers but RAF Scampton has significant historical reasons why, In my opinion, it is unsuitable for consideration.

https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/public...

[Mrr T]

pequod said:

Far more arriving without documentation so causing a longer processing time, plus legal challenges to prevent deportation, maybe?

Just a guess, but did those higher number of asylum applicants in the past turn up in rubber boats compared to today?

No evidence to support your claim about documents. The time to process applications to initial decusion has increased substantial. Since no appeal would happen before a decision nothing to do with legal challenges. The delay plus refusing to consider application for 3 months for those arriving by boat has resulted in a massive increase of those in hotels.

Lots of click bait opportunities for the tories.