Government Green Day - Gas Prices to increase
Discussion
Otispunkmeyer said:
pquinn said:
crankedup5 said:
Going to have to have a rethink regarding crematoria, they are mainly gas fired with a few using oil or LPG. That’s going to be a no no soon I expect. Maybe get zapped by lazers is the future 
You obviously haven't heard of 'water cremation', which is a low key label for an environmentally friendly process that people might be wary of if they saw the details.(Basically water + caustic soda, boil you up into soup then wash it down the drain leaving bones that are ground down into the 'ashes'.)
Not!
Still pretty grim though if you got a clog.
pork911 said:
mjb1 said:
As long as we're in a global market for gas and electricity the UK government has no control over energy prices (other than increasing them with taxes and tariffs).
the balancing in the OP relates to levies and pricing mechanisms the gov absolutely controls which hammer electricity over gas, although it would be difficult to discern any appreciation of that in this thread
Fundoreen said:
Why do we have to be first to low carbon when the rest of the undeveloped world isn't bothering? Some sort of pub boast?
And the stupid things is, even though we're attempting to be first in the race and doing more than all the other western countries, the Green lobby still moan at every opportunity about it being too little and too late. Let's face it, the loons won't be happy whatever is promised/delivered - so why even bother pandering to them?Oliver Hardy said:
From Sky News
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Today the government pledged £30m to help boost manufacturing and supply of heat pumps in the UK - it has not yet confirmed if this is new or whether it comes out of a previously announced £1bn fund.
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That just says to me in the same way companies that jumped on the band wagon for cavity wall insulation there will be fly by nights doing crappy installs of heat pumps with little thought to the design or suitability of the install<snip>
Today the government pledged £30m to help boost manufacturing and supply of heat pumps in the UK - it has not yet confirmed if this is new or whether it comes out of a previously announced £1bn fund.
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It's not like the oversized condensing boilers have been slung at walls for the last 10 years with significant thought to what is actually needed
glazbagun said:
Jasandjules said:
Have we reached peak stupid yet? We seem to be really, really close with our Govts attempting to ruin us. But are we there yet?!!?
I think we passed peak stupid with Truss.We had a period of grown up government as Brown and then DC wrestled with the GFC but since Camerons referendums the SNP & Conservatives have been too busy avoiding governance to fix anything.
I'd like to say the next decade will be different but I suspect whoever is next will keep kicking all of the cans down the road.
It is easy to appear "grown-up" when you are busily creating hundred billion pound liabilities that a future government will be responsible for paying for.
mjb1 said:
As long as we're in a global market for gas and electricity the UK government has no control over energy prices (other than increasing them with taxes and tariffs).
We seem to have this every month or so, but there isn't a "global market" in gas. There are a series of regional markets that are connected within each other by pipelines and trade between them depends on LNG and the infrastructure to either create this or to convert back to gas. New European capacity over the past few years would have made a big difference, which is precisely why there have been political campaigns to stop this happening.
The situation with electricity is even more localised as it needs dedicated infrastructure for the UK to be able to import electricity from the likes of Norway and France.
JagLover said:
The situation with electricity is even more localised as it needs dedicated infrastructure for the UK to be able to import electricity from the likes of Norway and France.
Isn't the cost of imported electricity something like 500% more expensive than electricity produced by UK power stations?rscott said:
pork911 said:
mjb1 said:
As long as we're in a global market for gas and electricity the UK government has no control over energy prices (other than increasing them with taxes and tariffs).
the balancing in the OP relates to levies and pricing mechanisms the gov absolutely controls which hammer electricity over gas, although it would be difficult to discern any appreciation of that in this thread
It must wrankle when gov talk of 'average energy bills' (dual fuel).
Oliver Hardy said:
JagLover said:
The situation with electricity is even more localised as it needs dedicated infrastructure for the UK to be able to import electricity from the likes of Norway and France.
Isn't the cost of imported electricity something like 500% more expensive than electricity produced by UK power stations?https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-07...
I think long term contracts are also in place, as with Norway. It cost 1.6 billion Euros to build the connecting power cable though so that would have to be paid for.
I wonder how ready the UK’s infrastructure is for the planned increase in electricity….and given our electricity isn’t exactly green are there plans to increase the generation of renewables markedly ?
We’re doing some refurb work to our house later this year. As part of the work I need to know whether we can get three phase and whether it is economical to do so. It has an impact on heat pump, amount of PV and whether we can have a 22kw car charger. Initial answer from UK Power Networks is they’re not sure the three phase transformer that covers our small village has enough capacity for us to upgrade to three phase, That said the customer service from Uk Power Networks has been excellent.
We’re doing some refurb work to our house later this year. As part of the work I need to know whether we can get three phase and whether it is economical to do so. It has an impact on heat pump, amount of PV and whether we can have a 22kw car charger. Initial answer from UK Power Networks is they’re not sure the three phase transformer that covers our small village has enough capacity for us to upgrade to three phase, That said the customer service from Uk Power Networks has been excellent.
Cheib said:
I wonder how ready the UK’s infrastructure is for the planned increase in electricity….and given our electricity isn’t exactly green are there plans to increase the generation of renewables markedly ?
We’re doing some refurb work to our house later this year. As part of the work I need to know whether we can get three phase and whether it is economical to do so. It has an impact on heat pump, amount of PV and whether we can have a 22kw car charger. Initial answer from UK Power Networks is they’re not sure the three phase transformer that covers our small village has enough capacity for us to upgrade to three phase, That said the customer service from Uk Power Networks has been excellent.
I can only speak for our village of 1000 homes, but every cable and substationy thing is under capacity if electricity is used for cars, let alone heating. No way that will be sorted by anyone, that's the basic reality.We’re doing some refurb work to our house later this year. As part of the work I need to know whether we can get three phase and whether it is economical to do so. It has an impact on heat pump, amount of PV and whether we can have a 22kw car charger. Initial answer from UK Power Networks is they’re not sure the three phase transformer that covers our small village has enough capacity for us to upgrade to three phase, That said the customer service from Uk Power Networks has been excellent.
Fortunately I don't think it's possible within our democratic structures for the Government to take so many of us so far over a cliff, so it simply isn't going to happen no matter how much unicorn thinking is applied to the reality.
paulrockliffe said:
Fortunately I don't think it's possible within our democratic structures for the Government to take so many of us so far over a cliff, so it simply isn't going to happen no matter how much unicorn thinking is applied to the reality.
There are many things necessary for a properly functioning democracy, including competing parties with differing ideas on key issues and a reasonably impartial media with a genuine divergence of views. These things are almost entirely absent from the UK now. So vote Blue tie, Red tie or Yellow tie and you will get the same agenda imposed upon you, or vote green tie to get it imposed with even more craziness. paulrockliffe said:
I can only speak for our village of 1000 homes, but every cable and substationy thing is under capacity if electricity is used for cars, let alone heating. No way that will be sorted by anyone, that's the basic reality.
Fortunately I don't think it's possible within our democratic structures for the Government to take so many of us so far over a cliff, so it simply isn't going to happen no matter how much unicorn thinking is applied to the reality.
We've been assessing a place out in the sticks. It's a barn conversion done around 5 years ago & the wealthy couple want a granny annexe extension. We have been data logging their electricity consumption: 2 EVs + air source heat pump = 57 amps consumption during the recent cold snap.Fortunately I don't think it's possible within our democratic structures for the Government to take so many of us so far over a cliff, so it simply isn't going to happen no matter how much unicorn thinking is applied to the reality.
Main fuse is 60 amp, so it's already at capacity. There are some 15 other large properties in the area, all powered via ancient overhead lines to an antique transformer. I'm no expert, but if they all buy EVs & heat pumps, I would have thought that this infrastructure needs a major upgrade.
Who will pay for it? When will it be upgraded? Surely the national grid will also need upgrading - oh, & where is the additional electricity going to be generated?
Perhaps the penny is starting to drop....
Biker 1 said:
We've been assessing a place out in the sticks. It's a barn conversion done around 5 years ago & the wealthy couple want a granny annexe extension. We have been data logging their electricity consumption: 2 EVs + air source heat pump = 57 amps consumption during the recent cold snap.
Main fuse is 60 amp, so it's already at capacity. There are some 15 other large properties in the area, all powered via ancient overhead lines to an antique transformer. I'm no expert, but if they all buy EVs & heat pumps, I would have thought that this infrastructure needs a major upgrade.
Who will pay for it? When will it be upgraded? Surely the national grid will also need upgrading - oh, & where is the additional electricity going to be generated?
Perhaps the penny is starting to drop....
Putting my tinfoil hat on for a moment, I'm starting to wonder whether the Government will decide the best way round this problem is to depopulate rural areas and herd everyone into the towns and cities where the infrastructure costs per household are much lower. It would be a rational and logical thing to do, in the same way that Marxism is rational and logical. Of course those in government, and the very wealthy and well-connected, will still be allowed their dachas: for us peasants, enjoy your 200 sq ft "tiny house" and eat ze bugs. [/tinfoil]Main fuse is 60 amp, so it's already at capacity. There are some 15 other large properties in the area, all powered via ancient overhead lines to an antique transformer. I'm no expert, but if they all buy EVs & heat pumps, I would have thought that this infrastructure needs a major upgrade.
Who will pay for it? When will it be upgraded? Surely the national grid will also need upgrading - oh, & where is the additional electricity going to be generated?
Perhaps the penny is starting to drop....
Biker 1 said:
Weve been assessing a place out in the sticks. It's a barn conversion done around 5 years ago & the wealthy couple want a granny annexe extension. We have been data logging their electricity consumption: 2 EVs + air source heat pump = 57 amps consumption during the recent cold snap.
Main fuse is 60 amp, so it's already at capacity. There are some 15 other large properties in the area, all powered via ancient overhead lines to an antique transformer. I'm no expert, but if they all buy EVs & heat pumps, I would have thought that this infrastructure needs a major upgrade.
Who will pay for it? When will it be upgraded? Surely the national grid will also need upgrading - oh, & where is the additional electricity going to be generated?
Perhaps the penny is starting to drop....
Without wishing to sound too fulsome, you clearly know what you're talking about. So I'm wondering whether those in authority - of any colour rosette - are listening to people like you, or those who represent your profession.Main fuse is 60 amp, so it's already at capacity. There are some 15 other large properties in the area, all powered via ancient overhead lines to an antique transformer. I'm no expert, but if they all buy EVs & heat pumps, I would have thought that this infrastructure needs a major upgrade.
Who will pay for it? When will it be upgraded? Surely the national grid will also need upgrading - oh, & where is the additional electricity going to be generated?
Perhaps the penny is starting to drop....
You see, I look at Labour's proposals and they are talking about zero carbon power by 2030, whilst the Tories say 2035. Are they both simply making promises they know cannot be met? Or are they ignoring practical issues such as those you describe? Maybe our politicians will say anything to get elected, irrespective of how realistic their proposals might be. Power (no pun intended) at any cost, and to hell with reality?
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