“National Conservatism”
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Carl_Manchester said:
smn159 said:
Nope, not a clue.
"The political left has never understood that, if you give the government enough power to create ‘social justice,’ you have given it enough power to create despotism. Millions of people around the world have paid with their lives for overlooking that simple fact.".Thomas Sowell.
The dashingly handsome Pedro Sánchez has called a shock election in Spain for 23rd July.
The conservative movement didn't quite sweep the board but it was enough to rattle the old guard.
There might be life in the Thatcherite movement yet, just not in the U.K.
A Florida in the EU ? It could happen, with a woman at the helm .
The conservative movement didn't quite sweep the board but it was enough to rattle the old guard.
There might be life in the Thatcherite movement yet, just not in the U.K.
A Florida in the EU ? It could happen, with a woman at the helm .
Carl_Manchester said:
The dashingly handsome Pedro Sánchez has called a shock election in Spain for 23rd July.
The conservative movement didn't quite sweep the board but it was enough to rattle the old guard.
There might be life in the Thatcherite movement yet, just not in the U.K.
A Florida in the EU ? It could happen, with a woman at the helm .
Let's hope not. The conservative movement didn't quite sweep the board but it was enough to rattle the old guard.
There might be life in the Thatcherite movement yet, just not in the U.K.
A Florida in the EU ? It could happen, with a woman at the helm .
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Italy already have a Government with links to fascism.
Gavin Mortimer did a piece in the Spectator today that talks about this and incidentally, also Le Pen.https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-european-l...
The general view is that the European Left needs a new approach other than the tired old name calling approach.
Carl_Manchester said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Italy already have a Government with links to fascism.
Gavin Mortimer did a piece in the Spectator today that talks about this and incidentally, also Le Pen.https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-european-l...
The general view is that the European Left needs a new approach other than the tired old name calling approach.
The same goes for labour. They run the gamut from new-Marxists to those who just want to be fair to everyone. Not only that, to suggest there's a European left is farcical. A bit to the left in Poland differs from a bit to the left in Ireland by more than a bit.
The article seems to suggest that the left are stamped from a mold.
The right of the tory party eulogise Thatcher, but she had few beliefs that could be cast as right-wing. She would chew up and spit out Mogg, and although I might pay to see her and Braverman in a head-to-head, I know who'd be left bloody on the ring floor.
Carl_Manchester said:
Gavin Mortimer did a piece in the Spectator today that talks about this and incidentally, also Le Pen.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-european-l...
The general view is that the European Left needs a new approach other than the tired old name calling approach.
What should I call people with links to fascism and people who have been found to have been parroting Kremlin propaganda?https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-european-l...
The general view is that the European Left needs a new approach other than the tired old name calling approach.
Misunderstood?
There are two types of left wing people to conservatives.
The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
ZedLeg said:
There are two types of left wing people to conservatives.
The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
You make conservatives sound like complete simpletons - is that really the case?The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
smn159 said:
ZedLeg said:
There are two types of left wing people to conservatives.
The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
You make conservatives sound like complete simpletons - is that really the case?The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
ZedLeg said:
smn159 said:
ZedLeg said:
There are two types of left wing people to conservatives.
The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
You make conservatives sound like complete simpletons - is that really the case?The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
chemistry said:
ZedLeg said:
smn159 said:
ZedLeg said:
There are two types of left wing people to conservatives.
The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
You make conservatives sound like complete simpletons - is that really the case?The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
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theads all over.ZedLeg said:
There are two types of left wing people to conservatives.
The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
Not true, but like a lot of such statements an interesting light to shine on your own thought process.The entitled poor who are envious of the more well off and want to take what the have out of spite.
Champagne socialists who are hypocrites and should be giving away all their money or they aren’t really left wing.
Both are easily dismissed.
There are many types of lefty as I see it and I'm optimistic enough to think that most believe they are sincerely advocating something that would make for a better, fairer and more inclusive world. There are the types who believe in redistributing wealth from those who have it to those who need it. Those who believe restrictive traditions and customs can be dispensed with to make people freer and happier. Internationalists who believe in cooperation and assisting the world's poor to enjoy wealth and freedom.
All of which are things I would consider desirable, although as a "right winger" (they're very limiting terms) I'd probably put more emphasis on stability, prosperity and security.
I would say the healthiest societies are ones where these countervailing forces are in some sort of balance through a democratic process and mature debate with at least a starting assumption that the 'other side' is acting in good faith with a sincere belief that their ideas promote the general weal.
Unfortunately there are some, and many of the loudest ones seem to be on 'the left', who believe that anyone who disagrees with them must be somehow malevolent. As though greed, bigotry and spite were the only reasons to have other ideas or priorities, and stupidity the only reason to support them.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Unfortunately there are some, and many of the loudest ones seem to be on 'the left', who believe that anyone who disagrees with them must be somehow malevolent. As though greed, bigotry and spite were the only reasons to have other ideas or priorities, and stupidity the only reason to support them.
I agreed with you until this, just back to "it's the other side that are the problem".As I said above, not every conservative is like the example I posted. A lot of the loudest are though. How many times a day does someone on NP&E say "politics of envy" or "champagne socialist"?
ZedLeg said:
I agreed with you until this, just back to "it's the other side that are the problem".
As I said above, not every conservative is like the example I posted. A lot of the loudest are though. How many times a day does someone on NP&E say "politics of envy" or "champagne socialist"?
Plenty. I said "Many of the loudest" are on the left, still plenty of loud ones on the right too.As I said above, not every conservative is like the example I posted. A lot of the loudest are though. How many times a day does someone on NP&E say "politics of envy" or "champagne socialist"?
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