CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[irc]

jameswills said:

There is no real evidence that this actually happens. Go back to Covid 2020, I can tell you of many stories where wives or husbands “had Covid” but never passed it to their spouse. Or children to adults or vice versa. I think this “infectiousness” is a bit of a myth.

Myth? Not for us it wasn't. Eight people at lunch. One person with Covid passed it to everyone else in the room.

This was well into the pandemic. All were vaccinated. So IME Covid was infectious and the vaccine didn't prevent infection or transmission.

[jameswills]

irc said:

Myth? Not for us it wasn't. Eight people at lunch. One person with Covid passed it to everyone else in the room.

This was well into the pandemic. All were vaccinated. So IME Covid was infectious and the vaccine didn't prevent infection or transmission.

So not even conceivable that these two things could have happened:

1) the tests were absolute nonsense, it was a coin toss.

2) the vaccine suppressed the immune system, or worse, caused ADE (which is exactly what happens with the MRNA tech and why it never made it to market) which made people sick?

Had nothing to do with your lunch.

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irc said:

jameswills said:

There is no real evidence that this actually happens. Go back to Covid 2020, I can tell you of many stories where wives or husbands “had Covid” but never passed it to their spouse. Or children to adults or vice versa. I think this “infectiousness” is a bit of a myth.

Myth? Not for us it wasn't. Eight people at lunch. One person with Covid passed it to everyone else in the room.

This was well into the pandemic. All were vaccinated. So IME Covid was infectious and the vaccine didn't prevent infection or transmission.

Very few vaccines do, as that’s not what they are primarily designed to achieve.

[RemarkLima]

Rollin said:

Pretty much all Covid vaccines were granted standard approval over 12 months ago in the EU.

Got it, thank you. I am out of date.

So, I assume on this basis you could pay for one if you wanted?

[Vanden Saab]

irc said:

jameswills said:

There is no real evidence that this actually happens. Go back to Covid 2020, I can tell you of many stories where wives or husbands “had Covid” but never passed it to their spouse. Or children to adults or vice versa. I think this “infectiousness” is a bit of a myth.

Myth? Not for us it wasn't. Eight people at lunch. One person with Covid passed it to everyone else in the room.

This was well into the pandemic. All were vaccinated. So IME Covid was infectious and the vaccine didn't prevent infection or transmission.

We had this discussion years ago. You can have covid and be completely non-infectious or you can infect everyone you come into contact with. 10% of people infect 80% of others. Why nobody seems to be investigating this if nothing else but for its revelance to flu is staggering.
If they had identified the 10% who were capable of infecting almost everybody else in the first 3 months and paid them handsomely to isolate (and by isolate I mean stay at home so if you are infectious you would only infect one of two others) you could have avoided the whole mess of the last 3 years and everybody else could have carried on as normal.
You would have been able to hold the prevalence at a level that the NHS could deal with while still allowing for an almost normal existence.

[Jasandjules]

Vanden Saab said:

If they had identified the 10% who were capable of infecting almost everybody else in the first 3 months and paid them handsomely to isolate (and by isolate I mean stay at home so if you are infectious you would only infect one of two others) you could have avoided the whole mess of the last 3 years and everybody else could have carried on as normal.
You would have been able to hold the prevalence at a level that the NHS could deal with while still allowing for an almost normal existence.

Or you know, just get those most at risk to isolate. Would have saved a few hundred billion.

[irc]

jameswills said:

irc said:

Myth? Not for us it wasn't. Eight people at lunch. One person with Covid passed it to everyone else in the room.

This was well into the pandemic. All were vaccinated. So IME Covid was infectious and the vaccine didn't prevent infection or transmission.

So not even conceivable that these two things could have happened:

1) the tests were absolute nonsense, it was a coin toss.

2) the vaccine suppressed the immune system, or worse, caused ADE (which is exactly what happens with the MRNA tech and why it never made it to market) which made people sick?

Had nothing to do with your lunch.

No. I'm convinced it was the lunch. I was on holiday that week. So it wasn't work. It is beyond coincidence that 8 people who hadn't been positive throughout the pandemic all caught it in the same 48hr period and it wasn't transmitted when they shared a room for 2 hours.

The tests worked. After we got the heads up that one person had tested positive we started testing. Most of us were intitially negative then within 24/48 hours we were all positive.

That was the only time my wife and I and my two sisters tested positive and we had all tested regularly during the pandemic.

Interestlingly despite being a similar age range, 58-68, the effects were varied in severity. For me a cold and fot a couple of days very mild flu like symptoms. I still managed to carry on as normal. Doing the cooking and walking the dogs in a quiet corner of the park away from anyone else.

I had thought I was going to escape it as throughout the pandemic I worked as normal sharing a car with random colleagues for a whole shift. I think that obviously infection needs proximity and time. So 2 hours in a room sitting round a table in an enclosed space was enough to infect everyone in my case.

Which emphasises the nonsense of walkers in the open air being harassed by the police.

[V88Dicky]

Vanden Saab said:

irc said:

jameswills said:

There is no real evidence that this actually happens. Go back to Covid 2020, I can tell you of many stories where wives or husbands “had Covid” but never passed it to their spouse. Or children to adults or vice versa. I think this “infectiousness” is a bit of a myth.

Myth? Not for us it wasn't. Eight people at lunch. One person with Covid passed it to everyone else in the room.

This was well into the pandemic. All were vaccinated. So IME Covid was infectious and the vaccine didn't prevent infection or transmission.

We had this discussion years ago. You can have covid and be completely non-infectious or you can infect everyone you come into contact with. 10% of people infect 80% of others. Why nobody seems to be investigating this if nothing else but for its revelance to flu is staggering.
If they had identified the 10% who were capable of infecting almost everybody else in the first 3 months and paid them handsomely to isolate (and by isolate I mean stay at home so if you are infectious you would only infect one of two others) you could have avoided the whole mess of the last 3 years and everybody else could have carried on as normal.
You would have been able to hold the prevalence at a level that the NHS could deal with while still allowing for an almost normal existence.

A lot like the common cold, or flu, or any of the other lurgies that circulate every year.

My other half, for example, is still coughing her guts up after three weeks right now, we both started off with a mild cold, and while mine disappeared after a couple of days, hers developed into a nasty chest infection which a course of Amoxyllin has barely shifted.

It’s just a roll of the dice if you ask me

[V88Dicky]

Jasandjules said:

Or you know, just get those most at risk to isolate. Would have saved a few hundred billion.

+1

[Vanden Saab]

Jasandjules said:

Vanden Saab said:

If they had identified the 10% who were capable of infecting almost everybody else in the first 3 months and paid them handsomely to isolate (and by isolate I mean stay at home so if you are infectious you would only infect one of two others) you could have avoided the whole mess of the last 3 years and everybody else could have carried on as normal.
You would have been able to hold the prevalence at a level that the NHS could deal with while still allowing for an almost normal existence.

Or you know, just get those most at risk to isolate. Would have saved a few hundred billion.

Nope, firstly the at risk are a larger group and secondly they would have to isolate for the rest of their lives. You want to limit the number of those infected at any one time not pretend you can stop people being infected.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

All a fraud. A common cold, or series of them. The correct response was to ignore it and carry on as normal. Everything else was bullst.

[RSTurboPaul]

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g4ry13 said:

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g4ry13 said:

Maybe it was just luck of the draw, but one observation I had this week on the way into London on the train was seeing a handful (<5) people on the carriage wearing masks.

Thinking back a few months ago, I rarely saw anyone wearing a mask. Maybe one person at most.

I would think it’s a perfect time to wear them if one is vulnerable especially with, as noted above, this cold that’s going around at the moment.

Why do you think that Granpa?

Know something the scientists don't about the masks?

Just to add: I saw a couple sitting next to each other wearing the tissue paper masks. Giant gaps around the sides and not fitting very well. No doubt, it was stopping all the microscopic microbes from penetrating the magical force field.

My post was tongue in cheek.

And in all honesty, if they want to wear them, that’s their decision and one that would have absolutely no effect whatsoever on my life.

As should have been the case for all since the start of 2020.

Unfortunately, however, legislation was put in place to criminalise those who did not wish to wear 'face coverings'.

[r3g]

RSTurboPaul said:

As should have been the case for all since the start of 2020.

Unfortunately, however, legislation was put in place to criminalise those who did not wish to wear 'face coverings'.

Tut It was only a bit of cloth..

[r3g]

The covaids is over they said.

Meanwhile, in Brazil :

Brazil Cuts Welfare Payments for Families of Kids Who Don't Get Annual COVID Shots

(msn.com)

I'm sure I've read old posts in these covaids threads where some of the more enlightened members predicted this exact thing would happen in the not so distant future. . And here we are. Another conspiracy theory comes true.

[wc98]

grumbledoak said:

r3g said:

What would be the potential repercussions of giving your unwanted jab invite from your GP Practice to a friend who is desperate for a booster? Due to a stroke many years ago, I am apparently on a "vulnerable person" list and am being bombarded with text messages to get jabbed. My friend who believes in all the deadly covaids crap, has had all his jabs and boosters, but does not qualify for the current covaids booster, much to his chagrin. I haven't been to the Practice for the best part of 20 years but from what I remember, you don't actually speak to anyone when you go in, just selec t your DOB and surname from a screen and you're all set.

How would you feel if he takes your slot and keels over 12 hours later?

I wouldn't worry about it, there's at least one jakey round here that has taken multiple covid vaccinations for people in the oil industry working in various countries around the world that weren't keen on getting it themselves. Didn't seem to do him any harm although maybe the level of alcohol in his bloodstream negated the effects. There was apparently adverts on facebook offering to take them for 150 quid a pop.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

r3g said:

The covaids is over they said.

Meanwhile, in Brazil :

Brazil Cuts Welfare Payments for Families of Kids Who Don't Get Annual COVID Shots

(msn.com)

I'm sure I've read old posts in these covaids threads where some of the more enlightened members predicted this exact thing would happen in the not so distant future. . And here we are. Another conspiracy theory comes true.

Brazil had a "far right" president who didn't play along during covid proper, so presumably they're playing catch up on giving money to their mat... the benefits of the safe and effective vaccine.

[wc98]

irc said:

Myth? Not for us it wasn't. Eight people at lunch. One person with Covid passed it to everyone else in the room.

This was well into the pandemic. All were vaccinated. So IME Covid was infectious and the vaccine didn't prevent infection or transmission.

My wife had it early on and i didn't catch despite getting as close as a husband and wife can get the day before symptoms showed. I didn't get it until last christmas so spent the day on my own while my wife and youngest spent the day at my eldest daughters with my grandson and son in law highlighting my vaccinations didn't really do much for me.

[Elysium]

This is an interesting insight into the conditions that allowed vaccine manufacturers to contribute to censorship. Encouraging opposition to vaccine mandates to be falsely labelled as anti-vax:



https://unherd.com/2023/11/moderna-is-spying-on-yo...

Unherd said:

None of the reports that we have seen makes any attempt to dispute the claims made. Rather the claims are automatically deemed “misinformation” if they encourage vaccine hesitancy. We approached Moderna for comment, but they didn’t respond.

“What often flies under the banner of combating disinformation is, in this case, nothing but corporate public relations, trying to spin public narratives in directions favorable to the corporation’s interests,” said Aaron Kheriaty, a bioethicist, and fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. “Does anyone really want to live under a regime where their social media feed is essentially curated by government or by multinational corporate interests that stand to profit, influencing opinion on these issues?”

[Roderick Spode]

My pal is the same age as me, roughly the same rotundity - we could both act as understudies for Santa, beards and all. Shared a car and a coffee last Thursday, he had a bit of a cough coming on. Works with children and young people, so is fully boosted up with his frequent flyer jabs and free donut with every sixth dose, while I remain one of the filthy unvaxxed baby murdering heathens and unbelievers. Anyway, Friday I woke with a slightly scratchy throat, which hung around for 24 hours. He messages on Saturday to say he's immobile and tested positive for Covid - his work still expect them to test regularly, and they also are expected to mask up at work. Meant to be heading out this evening for a walk and coffee - I have zero symptoms, and he remains floored.

A double whammy of masks being fully effective against contracting the dreaded, and of course the famous safe and effective million jab recipients being fully inoculated against initial contraction and extended illness.

Meanwhile my mk1 immune system had a look, scratched it's arse, snuffed it out, and went back to bed. Praise be for the holy vaccine!

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Roderick Spode said:

My pal is the same age as me, roughly the same rotundity - we could both act as understudies for Santa, beards and all. Shared a car and a coffee last Thursday, he had a bit of a cough coming on. Works with children and young people, so is fully boosted up with his frequent flyer jabs and free donut with every sixth dose, while I remain one of the filthy unvaxxed baby murdering heathens and unbelievers. Anyway, Friday I woke with a slightly scratchy throat, which hung around for 24 hours. He messages on Saturday to say he's immobile and tested positive for Covid - his work still expect them to test regularly, and they also are expected to mask up at work. Meant to be heading out this evening for a walk and coffee - I have zero symptoms, and he remains floored.

A double whammy of masks being fully effective against contracting the dreaded, and of course the famous safe and effective million jab recipients being fully inoculated against initial contraction and extended illness.

Meanwhile my mk1 immune system had a look, scratched it's arse, snuffed it out, and went back to bed. Praise be for the holy vaccine!

I know people that are vaxxed and some have never caught covid, and some that have.

I also know some unvaxxed, and the results are the same.