CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)
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That first post does demonstrate that we had a very clear idea of the risks from this virus even at the very start. People who justify the lockdowns by arguing we did not know what we were facing are reinventing history.
The fact that our economy is not a smoking ruin does not mean any of it was a good idea.
I estimate that we have all lost around 20% of our wealth through post COVID inflation. That is going to impact living standards for a generation.
One thing that gives me enormous hope though is seeing elderly relatives enjoying life again. The fear based messaging of the COVID era shrank their world and made them old before their time. The saddest part is that many elderly people ended their lives in that miserable lonely state. Now that we have gone back to normal I see my relatives enjoying life again. Freedom makes them seem a good 10 years younger. It’s joyous.
The fact that our economy is not a smoking ruin does not mean any of it was a good idea.
I estimate that we have all lost around 20% of our wealth through post COVID inflation. That is going to impact living standards for a generation.
One thing that gives me enormous hope though is seeing elderly relatives enjoying life again. The fear based messaging of the COVID era shrank their world and made them old before their time. The saddest part is that many elderly people ended their lives in that miserable lonely state. Now that we have gone back to normal I see my relatives enjoying life again. Freedom makes them seem a good 10 years younger. It’s joyous.
zarjaz1991 said:
jameswills said:
Jeremy Corbyn voted against every single measure (that they were allowed to vote on) as an independent. Think about that for a moment!
Only because it wasn’t strict enough for him.Lockdowns disadvantaged the poorest the most. As Elysium says, Labour should have defended these people
I've voted both Labour and Tory. And now can't vote for either. A plague on both your houses, if you like
johnboy1975 said:
I'm not sure that's right? Or if he stood with his brother either, for that matter, or even commented on him? I do recall a picture from a dinner party that would have gained far more traction had he been a "somebody"...(Did he get a retrospective FPN??)
Lockdowns disadvantaged the poorest the most. As Elysium says, Labour should have defended these people
I've voted both Labour and Tory. And now can't vote for either. A plague on both your houses, if you like
Lib dems also as bad but what surprised me even more was the silence/absence of NGO's such as Liberty - they conveniently feked off didnt they.Lockdowns disadvantaged the poorest the most. As Elysium says, Labour should have defended these people
I've voted both Labour and Tory. And now can't vote for either. A plague on both your houses, if you like
Countdown said:
I think, in 5 or 10 years time, threads like this will be outliers, inhabited by a few people who can't face the fact that they may well have been wrong.
So perhaps you can answer the question being posed then by that first post - do you now look back and agree with the major decisions made over the pandemic (ie repeated restrictions in a supposed attempt to suppress infections and then followed by heavy handed attempts to push on the vaccines to all ages) or do you think any of that was a mistake?
)Fascinating to read the first few posts of the original thread.
We had an 'If it saves one life' type justification almost immediately (second reply):
Anyone that questions whether money should come before lives needs a serious talking to!
And a scaremonger based on zero facts immediately following that.
How will she and other young people feel if, god forbid, they catch the virus and need hospital treatment but find the beds are all filled up with oldies.
This is the reality of the situation as is becoming more and more widely known. Health services overwhelmed, no free beds/ventilators, even the young can't get treatment (that would otherwise save their lives). 2-3+ week periods from entering ICU to death and in that period being on ('taking up') ventilators.
Grim picture, but people need to wake up to what the rapid spread of the virus really entails.
People were at this from the get go.
We had an 'If it saves one life' type justification almost immediately (second reply):
Anyone that questions whether money should come before lives needs a serious talking to!
And a scaremonger based on zero facts immediately following that.
How will she and other young people feel if, god forbid, they catch the virus and need hospital treatment but find the beds are all filled up with oldies.
This is the reality of the situation as is becoming more and more widely known. Health services overwhelmed, no free beds/ventilators, even the young can't get treatment (that would otherwise save their lives). 2-3+ week periods from entering ICU to death and in that period being on ('taking up') ventilators.
Grim picture, but people need to wake up to what the rapid spread of the virus really entails.
People were at this from the get go.
Roderick Spode said:
Ari said:
People were at this from the get go.
Unfortunately the inevitable outcome of a diet of fear porn from the media, and massive panic on social media. Ari said:
Fascinating to read the first few posts of the original thread.
We had an 'If it saves one life' type justification almost immediately (second reply):
Anyone that questions whether money should come before lives needs a serious talking to!
And a scaremonger based on zero facts immediately following that.
How will she and other young people feel if, god forbid, they catch the virus and need hospital treatment but find the beds are all filled up with oldies.
This is the reality of the situation as is becoming more and more widely known. Health services overwhelmed, no free beds/ventilators, even the young can't get treatment (that would otherwise save their lives). 2-3+ week periods from entering ICU to death and in that period being on ('taking up') ventilators.
Grim picture, but people need to wake up to what the rapid spread of the virus really entails.
People were at this from the get go.
It is rather interesting to re-read some of the posts from the time and somewhat darkly morbid I suppose but nevermind.We had an 'If it saves one life' type justification almost immediately (second reply):
Anyone that questions whether money should come before lives needs a serious talking to!
And a scaremonger based on zero facts immediately following that.
How will she and other young people feel if, god forbid, they catch the virus and need hospital treatment but find the beds are all filled up with oldies.
This is the reality of the situation as is becoming more and more widely known. Health services overwhelmed, no free beds/ventilators, even the young can't get treatment (that would otherwise save their lives). 2-3+ week periods from entering ICU to death and in that period being on ('taking up') ventilators.
Grim picture, but people need to wake up to what the rapid spread of the virus really entails.
People were at this from the get go.
2nd volume - May 2020 so just after the immediate aftermath of the spring lockdown, amongst many of the various quotes, I just thought this 2 were an unusually good illustration as to why I have always maintained that people would do exactly what they did before should circumstances repeat itself again.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Coolbananas said:
To think some wonder why the UK Government needs to act the way it does.
Too many idiots who think they know better! The UK needs its Nanny Bosses to ensure most comply, without doing so, a large element of the UK population would behave like they often do, badly as the posts above and John Locke's cowardly vote for civil disobedience prove.
Ignorance and zero care for anyone but themselves. Ah well, if nothing else, it is both interesting and amusing to watch unfold. Just a bit embarrassing that it is fellow Britons again.
"But why do they keep treating us like naughty children?" Too many idiots who think they know better! The UK needs its Nanny Bosses to ensure most comply, without doing so, a large element of the UK population would behave like they often do, badly as the posts above and John Locke's cowardly vote for civil disobedience prove.
Ignorance and zero care for anyone but themselves. Ah well, if nothing else, it is both interesting and amusing to watch unfold. Just a bit embarrassing that it is fellow Britons again.
Nickgnome said:
Your view is in a minority one.
The upshot is you either obey government guidelines or you don’t. It’s called personal responsibility
The upshot is you either obey government guidelines or you don’t. It’s called personal responsibility
Edited by isaldiri on Monday 18th March 16:22
My word, I'd forgotten how bonkers some of the posts on here truly were. I mean, that Coolbananas fellow, wow! Was he The Algarve Cyclist or was that another fool desperate for everyone to comply?
And to think, people like him/them were demanding that we comply with the likes of Boris/Hancock/Sturgeon/Drakeford, despite it being obvious - and supported by subsequent events - that those in charge were incompetent and motivated by political opportunism rather than public health.
I'm in two minds about what would happen in another Covid-esque scenario. Would people ignore instructions, saying "We won't get fooled again", or would fear and SPI-B psyops generate enough fear to ensure widespread compliance, again?
And to think, people like him/them were demanding that we comply with the likes of Boris/Hancock/Sturgeon/Drakeford, despite it being obvious - and supported by subsequent events - that those in charge were incompetent and motivated by political opportunism rather than public health.
I'm in two minds about what would happen in another Covid-esque scenario. Would people ignore instructions, saying "We won't get fooled again", or would fear and SPI-B psyops generate enough fear to ensure widespread compliance, again?
All volumes should be turned into a book, it would a much more truthful account of what happened than the crap they are inevitably going to make up then feed into textbooks and back into the education system. “The Great Pandemic”, “world saving pharmaceutical science”.
Whatever the comments, reading real life real time statements from (hopefully) real people is the way to really learn.
Whatever the comments, reading real life real time statements from (hopefully) real people is the way to really learn.
That’s prompted me to have a look through my emails back from my MP at the time, this one was particularly chilling for me, blatantly measures were all about getting vaccinations to as many people as possible. Also didn’t realise that face masks were actually a legal requirement according to them.
This was December 2021. They were insane, stupid, or evil.
MP said:
Good Morning,
Thank you for taking the time to contact me about the Plan B measures, which were recently voted through in Parliament.
The Omicron variant is doubling every two days, and the UK Health Security Agency estimates that there are more than 200,000 infections a day. This makes it much more infectious than the Delta variant, and our hospitals once again risk becoming overwhelmed.
I understand that people have strong views on the re-introduction of measures and restrictions. The Plan B measures Parliament voted in are in my view, moderate, proportionate and measured, especially compared to other European countries – the guidance to work from home (if you can) has been introduced, the legal requirement to wear a face coverings has been extended to most public indoor venues and a pass to prove you have been vaccinated or proof of a negative lateral flow test result will be required for entry into nightclubs and venues where large crowds gather. On the introduction of Covid-19 passes specifically, please bear in mind that we do not support mandatory and universal Covid-19 passports – individuals wanting to gain access into nightclubs or other venues with large crowds can provide a negative lateral flow test result, which does not need to be entered into any app or ‘pass’, thus allowing those who have not been vaccinated, for whatever reason, to attend such venues.
Importantly, these moderate measures will help shore up time for our NHS to get booster jabs into arms across the country and I hope reduce the need for further measures or restrictions. They will also provide our scientists with more time to assess this new variant.
Scientists are learning more every day about this variant, however I must emphasise that there is one thing we already know for sure: right now, our single best defence against Omicron is vaccination. Early research from Pfizer suggests that a third dose of their vaccine neutralised the Omicron variant to levels similar to the impact of two doses against the original strain of coronavirus.
I therefore encourage everyone to play their part once again and get their booster vaccinations. I have received mine recently because this is the best way to protect our NHS and others against this new variant.
Kind regards,
They knew apparently, “for sure”, that the single best way of “defending against Omicron” was to get a vaccine. Everyone to “play their part”Thank you for taking the time to contact me about the Plan B measures, which were recently voted through in Parliament.
The Omicron variant is doubling every two days, and the UK Health Security Agency estimates that there are more than 200,000 infections a day. This makes it much more infectious than the Delta variant, and our hospitals once again risk becoming overwhelmed.
I understand that people have strong views on the re-introduction of measures and restrictions. The Plan B measures Parliament voted in are in my view, moderate, proportionate and measured, especially compared to other European countries – the guidance to work from home (if you can) has been introduced, the legal requirement to wear a face coverings has been extended to most public indoor venues and a pass to prove you have been vaccinated or proof of a negative lateral flow test result will be required for entry into nightclubs and venues where large crowds gather. On the introduction of Covid-19 passes specifically, please bear in mind that we do not support mandatory and universal Covid-19 passports – individuals wanting to gain access into nightclubs or other venues with large crowds can provide a negative lateral flow test result, which does not need to be entered into any app or ‘pass’, thus allowing those who have not been vaccinated, for whatever reason, to attend such venues.
Importantly, these moderate measures will help shore up time for our NHS to get booster jabs into arms across the country and I hope reduce the need for further measures or restrictions. They will also provide our scientists with more time to assess this new variant.
Scientists are learning more every day about this variant, however I must emphasise that there is one thing we already know for sure: right now, our single best defence against Omicron is vaccination. Early research from Pfizer suggests that a third dose of their vaccine neutralised the Omicron variant to levels similar to the impact of two doses against the original strain of coronavirus.
I therefore encourage everyone to play their part once again and get their booster vaccinations. I have received mine recently because this is the best way to protect our NHS and others against this new variant.
Kind regards,
This was December 2021. They were insane, stupid, or evil.
jameswills said:
This was December 2021.
And also this from the beginning 2nd last volume. Nice to see some consistency from start to end as well I suppose that it wasn't that people 'didn't know enough about the new virus' but rather they pertty much knowingly chose to do what they did all throughout. 
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-...
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