CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[RSTurboPaul]

119 said:

RSTurboPaul said:

119 said:

Roderick Spode said:

119 said:

Do we have a date for all the vaccine passports and when we need to start carrying our id papers yet?

"Alexa, give me an example of a disingenuous argument from a bad faith actor."

Governments tried that. It was cretinous at best, as the magic truth serums didn't actually stop anything.

Do feel free to keep on with your mildly amusing attempts at bait posting Gramps

Turns out the WHO knew in 2021 that vaccine passports were completely pointless in terms of 'controlling the virus'. Unfortunately it seems some countries carried on regardless for 'reasons'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr3TWPjS-64



Strange, then, that the WHO appear to be continuing to try to implement global digital ID that could control travel based on medical history.

Perhaps they'll make sure the next pandemic is something for which they can definitely produce sterilising vaccines and which will definitely kill you rather than just give you natural immunity they would have to acknowledge.

Which the UK aren't even following.

Well the latest round of proposed alterations that would cede decision-making powers of individual countries to the WHO (including the implementation of digital medical history tracking to restrict travel) are scheduled for adoption in May AIUI, so it would seem obvious that the UK are not following them yet.

[isaldiri]

Pupp said:

isaldiri said:

Pupp said:

Isaldiri has an apprentice…

Do tell - What prompted you to drop me in to have swipe?

Someone described ungrammatical prolixity; I had a Pavlovian response.

Alright, I'm always rather keen to get a language lesson as it turns out. Do feel free to pull me up on any ungrammatical prolixity next time.

[Elysium]

119 said:

Do we have a date for all the vaccine passports and when we need to start carrying our id papers yet?

It’s interesting just how close we came to exactly that.

We don’t seem to value freedom as a society anymore and a sizeable number of people, including the author of this article, clearly like the idea of a benevolent state that tells us what to think.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr...

Martha Gill said:

As society has liberalised, a vacancy has appeared. It used to be that family, neighbourhood communities and religions worked as our moral arbiters, telling us what was right and wrong, what was fair, what we owe to others, and how we should best organise our lives. But these have declined. Could it be that we need the state to stand in instead?

The trouble is that the state is not benevolent or necessarily even competent.

If we learn just one thing from COVID then it should that.

[Ari]

Elysium said:

The trouble is that the state is not benevolent or necessarily even competent.

If we learn just one thing from COVID then it should that.

Sadly I fear the only lesson to be learned from COVID was just how astonishingly weak and keen to comply the British population is these days. And it was learned by HMG.

[dandarez]

BigMon said:

isaldiri said:

^ this. Plenty were in favour of those who didn't comply with being vaccinated 'to protect others' deserve to be punished. if not directly calling for it then they were entirely content for that to happen. Still, it's human nature I suppose and one should hardly expect any different for a somewhat unpleasant aspect of it to be shown especially in thise times...

A lot of people were scared when, with hindsight, they had absolutely no need to be.

It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.

You ain't kidding.
I've been on PHs so long I know when not to get embroiled in some of these discussions, but some may recall me posting back during lockdowns.
I, like a good number, wasn't keen on the mask wearing. I decided make my own iron-on transfer for mine.
I don't bin much on my computer - quick search, here you go.


Bloody hell! I'd worn it a few times in shops, supermarkets, just to comply. Then I meet paranoid customer who confronted me while I was in a shop - thankfully because of 'distancing' he stood back but otherwise might have got nastier. He yelled at me, along the lines of 'That is not funny! Don't you realise people's lives are at serious and real risk?' The odd thing was he must have been half my age, probably younger!
Perhaps it was Chromegrill?

[dandarez]

Reminds me of a few of my other posts back then. Like this.

When it was announced we could go outside, but only for ‘exercise’ or ‘essential food shopping’ I jumped at the chance.
Sod bloody online deliveries, we didn't want to do that (and we never have to this day). Got into the car and drove to our nearest town and my wife sent me the list from her i-phone to mine.
Parked up at the rear of the deserted Waitrose car park, I have lazy pals who even today would park their car in the front bloody entrance of a supermarket if they could!
I walked the several hundred yds passing only a bemused cat strolling around surprised to see there were still living 'humans'!
I get near to the shop entrance when two Coppers suddenly appear, holding their gilets with their thumbs - a stance so common these days.

'May we ask where are you going sir?' says one. The other adds: 'You look to be in the vulnerable age group sir.'
Pointing to my carrier bag and to the store, I say: 'In there, to do my shop which the PM tells me that I'm now allowed to do.'
'Yes, that's correct, but once you've completed your shop, ensure that you walk straight back home sir.'
Walk straight back home? They obviously thought I lived locally and walked there, not realising I'd driven a few miles and parked at the far end of the car park which they couldn't see.
Do you know what was also funny? If either or both of them had decided to chase 'vulnerable' me, I doubt either could have caught me! Obesity, it's everywhere!

I got the shopping, walked back and put it into the car boot and pondered...
sod it, I went for some fresh air walkabout round the 'ghost' town. I related this at the time.
Here's a snap from back then of some 'other very bemused non-humans' wondering what the f was happening. Some might recall me posting it.


I crossed the deserted streets and as I neared the local shopping precinct, surprise, a young lady 'jogger' passes me, widening her distance as she did so: she was what I describe as the usual ‘swinging pony-tail' hair type.
For a laugh, I dropped my head and sped past her, before turning into the deserted ie: 'now dead' shopping precinct (this was prior to them sticking or painting all those daft 'footprints' and 'directional arrows' on each and every path and street in the days ahead).

Part way into the precinct, my mobile rang: it was my wife so I stopped. She wanted to know if I'd managed to get all the shopping? I told her 'Yep, got everything.'
At that precise moment, swinging pony-tail girl jogs by smiling and says: 'What's your secret grandad?'
'Not dying.' I said.
She laughs loudly then carries on jogging.
My wife: ‘Who's that girl you are talking to?'

[21st Century Man]

I remember the Covid Marshalls patrolling in pairs and engaging in lengthy conversations with people and berating them for interacting with people, like say, Covid Marshalls? A couple came into my Barbers and as there was one in the chair and three waiting then one of us would have to leave, the thing was though, they just went on, and on, and on about it for an age, then they had a go at the Barber over his signage, apparently it was not up to spec. I pointed out to them that by they themselves had massively increased any risk of transmission with their own behavior and lengthy discourse. I was tempted to also point out that in their condition (both morbidly obese and one was constantly vaping) they shouldn't be putting themselves and others at risk by engaging people all day long. The whole concept of having teams of people going around engaging people to tell them not to engage with people was just lunacy.

Edited by 21st Century Man on Tuesday 23 April 11:57

[21st Century Man]

Then there was the old guy with both a clear face shield and a face covering wearing a pair of rubber gloves with a cloth and a trigger spray, trying to wipe down a gnarled old wooden picnic table at the top of a hill in a deserted country park in the pissing rain. No doubt because he'd been told to. Zero critical thought by both worker and manager.

[Roderick Spode]

The whole pantomime was massively Dystopian, something from a Kafka novel. Yet so many of the general population not only willingly and cheerfully complied, but they also berated those who questioned the insane regulations, and further took enormous delight in reporting to the relevant authorities those who dared to breach or fail to comply with the diktats. Utter insanity, but a chilling indictment of the general British population and it's willingness to blindly and obediently comply with whatever Government decrees.

[r3g]

21st Century Man said:

Zero critical thought by both worker and manager.

Very few people have any. It's just hurr-durr muh government, hurr-durr muh BBC, hurri-durr muh fact-checkers and helth expurts . See the other thread for several thousand examples.

[21st Century Man]

And in the pub, sitting up or sitting down was deemed to carry different levels of risk, as did the route to the toilet. A 100 metre indirect one way route through multiple rooms and groups of people was fine, but taking a 5 metre direct route from where I was sitting, but the wrong way around wasn't, it earned me a reprimand.

And carrying a Scotch egg of course made one invincible.

[r3g]

21st Century Man said:

And in the pub, sitting up or sitting down was deemed to carry different levels of risk, as did the route to the toilet. A 100 metre indirect one way route through multiple rooms and groups of people was fine, but taking a 5 metre direct route from where I was sitting, but the wrong way around wasn't, it earned me a reprimand.

And carrying a Scotch egg of course made one invincible.

I remember there was some talk in Scotland about cutting doors in schools to make them look like toilet cubicle doors to "aid ventilation" for the deadly bogeyman virus but don't know if it actually happened or was just cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY wIbBlE

[jameswills]

Linking from the discussion on the other thread, it was a great experiment in propaganda. Shows how well it works.

[Lotobear]

r3g said:

21st Century Man said:

And in the pub, sitting up or sitting down was deemed to carry different levels of risk, as did the route to the toilet. A 100 metre indirect one way route through multiple rooms and groups of people was fine, but taking a 5 metre direct route from where I was sitting, but the wrong way around wasn't, it earned me a reprimand.

And carrying a Scotch egg of course made one invincible.

I remember there was some talk in Scotland about cutting doors in schools to make them look like toilet cubicle doors to "aid ventilation" for the deadly bogeyman virus but don't know if it actually happened or was just cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY wIbBlE

That was an actual thing, or at least suggested as a serious measure by those in power, quite forgetting of course their other secondary function in fire separation which demonstrates just how far down the rabbit hole some were prepared to go with the wibble

[21st Century Man]

Tbf, crazy though that proposal was, good ventilation was a mitigation with some merit/science behind it, unlike the huge amount of other nonsense.

[limpsfield]

dandarez said:

she was what I describe as the usual ‘swinging pony-tail' hair type.

I read your shopping reminscences. But what does this even mean??

(I am your typical "short back and sides" type)

[r3g]

21st Century Man said:

Tbf, crazy though that proposal was, good ventilation was a mitigation with some merit/science behind it, unlike the huge amount of other nonsense.

Hmm not convinced about that 21cm. Would that be the same "science" as wearing cloth face masks?

I've just had a quick look for some evidence of these cut doors but not found anything.

[gareth_r]

r3g said:

21st Century Man said:

Tbf, crazy though that proposal was, good ventilation was a mitigation with some merit/science behind it, unlike the huge amount of other nonsense.

Hmm not convinced about that 21cm. Would that be the same "science" as wearing cloth face masks?

I've just had a quick look for some evidence of these cut doors but not found anything.

BBC - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

[r3g]

jameswills said:

Linking from the discussion on the other thread, it was a great experiment in propaganda. Shows how well it works.

You must have been particularly bored to even venture into that thread full of Idiocracy's film cast. There just aren't enough brightly coloured crayons in the world to 'save' them. They are all so deep down the 'it's just government incompetence bro, the government would never lie to me" rabbit hole there is no hope for them.

Coldel's endless psychoanalysis babble is amusing though, especially when he launches into one of his regular rants about people not being able to do critical thinking. The irony is completely lost on him .

[r3g]

gareth_r said:

BBC - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

I saw. But can't find any evidence of them actually having done it. If it had I could see it would be the sort of thing youtube et all would remove as "disinformation" courtesy of the "fact-checkers" but the alt sites aren't producing anything either.