CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[Roderick Spode]

andyA700 said:

As someone who has been vaccine injured (nearly crippled) I totally agree with your post. I took the vaccine (and three more) because I was definitely in the "At risk group". However, at the time, I could see that you had half a dozen big pharma firms around the World, all competing to be the first and best - what could possibly go wrong?
I know that people who have been harmed (very severly) by the vaccine, cannot get any compensation, in my case at 65, I will never work again and I will not get any benefits, despite having paid into the system for 47 years.
The government(s) will never admit the scale of this, because it is huge. I contacted the prospective Labour candidate a month ago and she promised to email me back - guess what, she didn't.

The unwillingness to ever challenge or acknowledge the harms caused will be felt most acutely by people like yourself Andy. There will be a paucity of justice, unless a number of media outlets take an interest and start to give this traction (spoiler - they won't). Add to that an almost pathological reluctance from legislators and political representatives to even countenance discussing this, and it's vanishingly unlikely the truth will ever see the light of day. One only has to witness the media response to the likes of Andrew Bridgen attempting to have these matters debated in the HoC - "far-right anti-vaxx MP" - and the spectacular reluctance of MPs to even be in the chamber when the 'debate' takes place. There is simply no way either of the main parties will ever allow a full and transparent investigation into the scale of vaccine harms, as they all supported the rollout without question or scrutiny, and in many cases proposed the implementation of these procedures by force if required. Meanwhile the general public have no appetite to see these things scrutinised, as almost everyone submitted themselves to at least one experimental jab, so to countenance the occurrences of causal harms would very firmly remove the lid from the can of lumbricus terrestris.

[vixen1700]

Roderick Spode said:

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as almost everyone submitted themselves to at least one experimental jab <snip>

Nah, a big fat 0 from me.

[Roderick Spode]

vixen1700 said:

Roderick Spode said:

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as almost everyone submitted themselves to at least one experimental jab <snip>

Nah, a big fat 0 from me.

Likewise, despite being threatened with loss of career and disowned (temporarily) by family. Yeah cheers, that's really going to convince me.

I feel sorry for anyone coerced by family or employer into taking the jabs & has had a resulting side effect. I can't imagine the anger and resentment I would feel - I'm angry enough hearing about the accounts of others.

[vixen1700]

Roderick Spode said:

Likewise, despite being threatened with loss of career and disowned (temporarily) by family. Yeah cheers, that's really going to convince me.

I feel sorry for anyone coerced by family or employer into taking the jabs & has had a resulting side effect. I can't imagine the anger and resentment I would feel - I'm angry enough hearing about the accounts of others.

Absolutely.

Just about to go and visit my mother in her care-home.

The last time she was in her own house was February 2021 when I picked her up off the floor after a bleed on the brain, coincidently a week after her first safe & effective Astra Zenica jab. Seemed a lot of coincidences going around at the time.

[The Selfish Gene]

also a zero from me...........

no-matter how many have suffered these terrible harms, it was a clearly not tested properly and rushed treatment. We can't call it a vaccine, as it didn't vaccinate anyone.

Also it was definitely un-necessarily for anyone , at best some vulnerable older people, yet they blackmailed so many different age groups.

Weird really, hopefully just about corruption and greed rather than anything more sinister.

Still, nobody regrets not getting it and if it happens again I'm sure many many more will decline the poison.

[r3g]

grumbledoak said:

Elysium said:

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I remain of the view that this coercion was mostly about the Govt realising that it would be popular and that if they vaccinated a lot of people it would make them look good.

So a Govt PR exercise destroyed informed consent, caused demonstrable harm and spawned a new anti-vax movement.

I think you remain somewhat naive. Surprisingly so for one who made an effort to really analyze what we saw.

If you read about the many pandemic "simulations" that preceded COVID-19, they all went straight for vaccines, only vaccines, and all mandatory. Maybe not our government, but somebody was planning to do this for a long time.

Yep . It's the confirmation bias playing out that we are seeing from all those who participated in the medical experiment.

[Elysium]

r3g said:

grumbledoak said:

Elysium said:

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I remain of the view that this coercion was mostly about the Govt realising that it would be popular and that if they vaccinated a lot of people it would make them look good.

So a Govt PR exercise destroyed informed consent, caused demonstrable harm and spawned a new anti-vax movement.

I think you remain somewhat naive. Surprisingly so for one who made an effort to really analyze what we saw.

If you read about the many pandemic "simulations" that preceded COVID-19, they all went straight for vaccines, only vaccines, and all mandatory. Maybe not our government, but somebody was planning to do this for a long time.

Yep . It's the confirmation bias playing out that we are seeing from all those who participated in the medical experiment.

I don’t think you know what confirmation bias is. Which is rather ironic.

[r3g]

Roderick Spode said:

andyA700 said:

As someone who has been vaccine injured (nearly crippled) I totally agree with your post. I took the vaccine (and three more) because I was definitely in the "At risk group". However, at the time, I could see that you had half a dozen big pharma firms around the World, all competing to be the first and best - what could possibly go wrong?
I know that people who have been harmed (very severly) by the vaccine, cannot get any compensation, in my case at 65, I will never work again and I will not get any benefits, despite having paid into the system for 47 years.
The government(s) will never admit the scale of this, because it is huge. I contacted the prospective Labour candidate a month ago and she promised to email me back - guess what, she didn't.

The unwillingness to ever challenge or acknowledge the harms caused will be felt most acutely by people like yourself Andy. There will be a paucity of justice, unless a number of media outlets take an interest and start to give this traction (spoiler - they won't). Add to that an almost pathological reluctance from legislators and political representatives to even countenance discussing this, and it's vanishingly unlikely the truth will ever see the light of day. One only has to witness the media response to the likes of Andrew Bridgen attempting to have these matters debated in the HoC - "far-right anti-vaxx MP" - and the spectacular reluctance of MPs to even be in the chamber when the 'debate' takes place. There is simply no way either of the main parties will ever allow a full and transparent investigation into the scale of vaccine harms, as they all supported the rollout without question or scrutiny, and in many cases proposed the implementation of these procedures by force if required. Meanwhile the general public have no appetite to see these things scrutinised, as almost everyone submitted themselves to at least one experimental jab, so to countenance the occurrences of causal harms would very firmly remove the lid from the can of lumbricus terrestris.

Very well put. Exactly my thoughts too.

[Elysium]

The Selfish Gene said:

also a zero from me...........

no-matter how many have suffered these terrible harms, it was a clearly not tested properly and rushed treatment. We can't call it a vaccine, as it didn't vaccinate anyone.

Also it was definitely un-necessarily for anyone , at best some vulnerable older people, yet they blackmailed so many different age groups.

Weird really, hopefully just about corruption and greed rather than anything more sinister.

Still, nobody regrets not getting it and if it happens again I'm sure many many more will decline the poison.

COVID vaccines have been tested more thoroughly than any medicine in history. The number of people that have taken them is vast and most of them are absolutely fine.

They are obviously not “poison”.

[The Selfish Gene]

Elysium said:

COVID vaccines have been tested more thoroughly than any medicine in history. The number of people that have taken them is vast and most of them are absolutely fine.

They are obviously not “poison”.

well considering the speed they came out, and what normally takes much longer to release, and the fact it's well documented how many side affects are now being announced by the mainstream press.............I think at the time, they weren't tested 'more thoroughly than any medicine in history' and therefore you are wrong.

Unless of course they had them prior to the C19 event? Obviously then that would fall into more CT theory.

Poison is a subjective term, but considering nobody needed it, it didn't work, and it's formally admitted they cause harm (not only in the inserts, but now in the news)........I'd say that fits reasonably well under the term 'poison'.

poison /poi?z?n/
noun
A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means.
Something destructive or fatal.
A substance that inhibits another substance or a reaction.
"a catalyst poison."
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik


SO, can we agree that one or more of these 'vaccines' has caused one or more of those sentences to be true? IF so, yes, Poison.

As you were x

Edited by The Selfish Gene on Tuesday 30th April 10:54

Edited by The Selfish Gene on Tuesday 30th April 10:55

[andyA700]

Pupp said:

81 potential cases out of how many million jabs administered? You might need to calm down just a little with the emphatic proclamations of cause and effect.

An interesting twist nonetheless

Don't know where you are getting 81 cases from but I will raise it to tens of thousands.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/641...

[andyA700]

PurplePenguin said:

119 said:

r3g said:

Those unhinged CTs were right yet again.

AstraZeneca vaccines give you blood clots.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1336264...

Maybe the usual suspects should ring them to tell them they are wrong and it's just NHS appointment waiting times.

Only about three years behind then Rachel.

I’m not sure the victims will be laughing

No, we are not.

[r3g]

Elysium said:

I don’t think you know what confirmation bias is. Which is rather ironic.

Oh I do. The confirmation bias you have had since you took your first jab that they are effective (in a positive way) - and continue to do so -despite an ever-increasing amount of evidence showing that they are dangerous and causing untold harm to the recipients. How many million "rare side effect" cases is VAERS database up to now?

[isaldiri]

andyA700 said:

Pupp said:

81 potential cases out of how many million jabs administered? You might need to calm down just a little with the emphatic proclamations of cause and effect.

An interesting twist nonetheless

Don't know where you are getting 81 cases from but I will raise it to tens of thousands.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/641...

Adverse drug reactions being reported are most definitely not all ViTT cases. The latter is the one discussed in the article.

[Elysium]

The Selfish Gene said:

Elysium said:

COVID vaccines have been tested more thoroughly than any medicine in history. The number of people that have taken them is vast and most of them are absolutely fine.

They are obviously not “poison”.

well considering the speed they came out, and what normally takes much longer to release, and the fact it's well documented how many side affects are now being announced by the mainstream press.............I think at the time, they weren't tested 'more thoroughly than any medicine in history' and therefore you are wrong.

Unless of course they had them prior to the C19 event? Obviously then that would fall into more CT theory.

Poison is a subjective term, but considering nobody needed it, it didn't work, and it's formally admitted they cause harm (not only in the inserts, but now in the news)........I'd say that fits reasonably well under the term 'poison'.

poison /poi?z?n/
noun
A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means.
Something destructive or fatal.
A substance that inhibits another substance or a reaction.
"a catalyst poison."
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik


SO, can we agree that one or more of these 'vaccines' has caused one or more of those sentences to be true? IF so, yes, Poison.

As you were x

In effect, the mass vaccination of most of the people on the planet is the biggest ‘test’ you are ever going to find.

I think it’s legitimate to argue that they should have been tested more thoroughly before that, but you can’t reasonably argue that they are still untested. Or that they are poison when most people who had them are obviously unaffected.

Your statement that nobody needed the vaccines and that they didn’t work is contrary to the evidence. So how have you formed this conclusion?

[Elysium]

r3g said:

Elysium said:

I don’t think you know what confirmation bias is. Which is rather ironic.

Oh I do. The confirmation bias you have had since you took your first jab that they are effective (in a positive way) - and continue to do so -despite an ever-increasing amount of evidence showing that they are dangerous and causing untold harm to the recipients. How many million "rare side effect" cases is VAERS database up to now?

I’ve looked at the available evidence and formed an educated view.

You have rejected the available evidence that disagrees with your preconceptions and reached a conclusion based entirely on an unevidenced belief.

Only one of these things is confirmation bias.

[The Selfish Gene]

Elysium said:

In effect, the mass vaccination of most of the people on the planet is the biggest ‘test’ you are ever going to find.

I think it’s legitimate to argue that they should have been tested more thoroughly before that, but you can’t reasonably argue that they are still untested. Or that they are poison when most people who had them are obviously unaffected.

Your statement that nobody needed the vaccines and that they didn’t work is contrary to the evidence. So how have you formed this conclusion?

did 'most of the people on the planet' know they were part of a medical experiment? Did they have informed consent? Was it possible to have informed consent when it was part of a unknown medical experiment and those same customers were told repeatedly in unison from governments around the world it was safe and effective?

You can't give a mass vaccination to most of the people on the planet as your test subjects - it is disgusting and actually illegal.

You could also argue the test failed with one death, when in fact we have tens of thousands of adverse reactions and deaths.

So, no, I won't accept that most of the planet being duped into taking an experimental treatment that has harmed tens of thousands (that we know of) as a valid test I'm afraid.

If I had taken it I would be fking livid - luckily I did not, and non of my close people did either.

In fact I'd wager most of the people on the planet is flawed too - as the numbers were clearly not true - I'd be amazed if 50% of the planet fell for it.


Edited to add - my statement that nobody needed it , is based on the evidence that it was indeed the FLU - I did half concede that old people may have been vulnerable, but I personally don't really believe that.

When you say my view it didn't work is contrary to the evidence...........it was labelled a VACCINE - therefore it is supposed to VACCINATE - it did not , it didn't stop anyone from catching C19, and it didn't stop anyone from passing it on. Therefore, it didn't work as a vaccine. That is very well documented in the science. The subjective element I think you allude to, is, did it stop people from having a worse experience if they were duped into taking it?

Maybe, for old vulnerable people, but not for anyone else.

Edited by The Selfish Gene on Tuesday 30th April 11:45

[Roderick Spode]

Elysium said:

In effect, the mass vaccination of most of the people on the planet is the biggest ‘test’ you are ever going to find.

I think it’s legitimate to argue that they should have been tested more thoroughly before that, but you can’t reasonably argue that they are still untested. Or that they are poison when most people who had them are obviously unaffected.

I would respectfully suggest that, while they have indeed been tested - ironically by giving them on a wholesale basis to the global population, a great way to limit the scale of harms there - the full and detailed findings of those tests have been restricted, withheld, or more seriously - suppressed. Is it really credible that world governments and the WHO would implement the widespread administration of a novel medical procedure with seriously limited testing under an Emergency Use agreement, then broadcast the full details of all the resulting harms, side effects and deaths when they come to light?

I've recounted details previously of people I know (lies, fertile imagination, blah blah) who suffered similar and in some cases very serious/life threatening side effects in close temporal proximity to their first/second/booster(s) jabs, reported these to GPs or other medical professionals, and were universally dismissed as coincidences. Only one - female, late 30s, suffered menstrual bleeding for 12 weeks continuously after both jabs - finally had her symptoms acknowledged by her GP as 'likely' caused by the jabs. There is no transparency, there will be no accountability, the true findings of this 'test' will never be known in their fullest details. So, my apologies, but I do not consider this 'test' to have reached a valid conclusion, nor hypotheses on either side proven nor disproven. Therefore the 'safe and effective' line is a logical fallacy.

Speaking to an elderly relative last night, who is a fully paid-up frequent flyer of the jab club - "I've never known so many people to be sick and unwell..."

[Hants PHer]

To those posters insisting that Covid vaccines caused, or are causing, great harms I simply ask you for proof. Where is your evidence that the vaccines were responsible for harms, rather than the virus itself, the NHS's policy to suspend non-Covid health care for many months, or the stress caused by lockdowns, business closures and other restrictions.

If all you've got is "They don't want you to know, the truth is being suppressed" then I'm sorry but that's not good enough. That's just a conspiracy theory and should be treated as such, until such time as evidence appears. As for the claims that the ONS, NHS England and various medical bodies are all falsifying data........that's just risible.

If all you've got is anecdotal evidence, that's not good enough either. For example, Roderick Spode, I believe your observations and I would never question your honesty. However, I know - at a rough guess - dozens of people who've had the Covid vaccines and I haven't seen or heard of any problems whatsoever apart from the odd sore arm. We can trade anecdotes all day long but it proves nothing.

For clarity, I remain open to the possibility that you're right about Covid vaccines. But you need to prove it. Proper, data-backed proof, not loony articles from Zerohedge and the like. I haven't seen any such proof yet: the ball's in your court.

[BigMon]

Hants PHer said:

To those posters insisting that Covid vaccines caused, or are causing, great harms I simply ask you for proof. Where is your evidence that the vaccines were responsible for harms, rather than the virus itself, the NHS's policy to suspend non-Covid health care for many months, or the stress caused by lockdowns, business closures and other restrictions.

If all you've got is "They don't want you to know, the truth is being suppressed" then I'm sorry but that's not good enough. That's just a conspiracy theory and should be treated as such, until such time as evidence appears. As for the claims that the ONS, NHS England and various medical bodies are all falsifying data........that's just risible.

If all you've got is anecdotal evidence, that's not good enough either. For example, Roderick Spode, I believe your observations and I would never question your honesty. However, I know - at a rough guess - dozens of people who've had the Covid vaccines and I haven't seen or heard of any problems whatsoever apart from the odd sore arm. We can trade anecdotes all day long but it proves nothing.

For clarity, I remain open to the possibility that you're right about Covid vaccines. But you need to prove it. Proper, data-backed proof, not loony articles from Zerohedge and the like. I haven't seen any such proof yet: the ball's in your court.

That pretty much everything echoes both my viewpoint and experiences too.

I am absolutely open to evidence of there being mass vaccine harm but that will not come from loon sites or someone releasing 'evidence' via social media and, astonishingly, being paid per view or similar.