Policing of pro Palestinian marches

[bitchstewie]

I suspect it's that word "context" that grates perhaps more than someone who is perhaps just a massive fking idiot rather than an out and out racist.

We all know it's a hard job but the Met just don't do themselves any favours with things like this.

[768]

and31 said:

Signage? It’s a swastika ffs-what does a swastika say to you?
How can you possibly think it has “ context”?

They predate the Nazis for a start.

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768 said:

and31 said:

Signage? It’s a swastika ffs-what does a swastika say to you?
How can you possibly think it has “ context”?

They predate the Nazis for a start.

It does, but in the West it now only means one thing to the vast majority of people.

[GT03ROB]

768 said:

and31 said:

Signage? It’s a swastika ffs-what does a swastika say to you?
How can you possibly think it has “ context”?

They predate the Nazis for a start.

Quite. A very common symbol in India. Means good health & prosperity. Existed perfectly well for thousands of years until it was hijacked around 90 years back. Notwithstanding this in Western society it has a very clear association in not used in an eastern context. When used in anythng associated with Jews or Israel It is offensive

[bitchstewie]

I don't think the Police Officer meant the person carrying it might be a Hindu or on their way back from Duxford.

[768]

I don't think the police officer had any context that would justify it in mind. That doesn't mean context is irrelevant to any use of the symbol.

[biggbn]

Ridgemont said:

Mojooo said:

She did what everyone seems to do these days - get overly emotional for the video camera knowing it would be seen by millions.

The Met put a statement out saying the person had already been arrested...unsure if true though

Hmm. So performative emotionalism as opposed to, y’know, actual emotion given the actually horrendous connotations associated with Hm… let me think… the use of a swastika to protest against the Israeli state?

I *cannot* for the life of me imagine how she was able to calibrate her performative emotion. A truly epic performance.

fks sake.

I could write an extremely long diatribe about the multilayered clusterfk which is

a) the behaviour of the protesters
b) the response of the police
c) the post you have made in response

Which would dwell at length on the utter bizarro alternative reality we appear now to be living in, but I just genuinely am too sad inside to write it.

How far we have fallen. In just about living memory 6 million Jews were ushered into Gas chambers in the most industrialised effort of mass murder in all of history while under that flag, and the retards and others are connoting this to events in Gaza now. After a live cosplay by Hamas on October 7th.

And meanwhile the police are soft pedalling because of ‘context’.

Words fail me.

I'm pretty sure the other 11 million holocaust victims would be equally offended by both the symbol and world events.

[Oliver Hardy]

Hezbollah March In London

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[Panamax]

biggbn said:

I'm pretty sure the other 11 million holocaust victims would be equally offended by both the symbol and world events.

Please state your source for that 11 million figure.

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Panamax said:

biggbn said:

I'm pretty sure the other 11 million holocaust victims would be equally offended by both the symbol and world events.

Please state your source for that 11 million figure.

Does my Grandfather who died in Dachau count? He wasn't Jewish.

[GT03ROB]

Panamax said:

biggbn said:

I'm pretty sure the other 11 million holocaust victims would be equally offended by both the symbol and world events.

Please state your source for that 11 million figure.

That's a pretty crass comment

[ChemicalChaos]

Yup, that'll show them! War solved, folks...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13285441/...

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[Ridgemont]

A judge has ruled that our friend with the ‘Hamas is terrorist’ banner is able to continue his counter protests after the judge ruled that his bail conditions imposed by the police banning him from the City of Westminster during protests were disproportionate.

Thank God the Judge has an ounce of common sense as the police appear to have none.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/13/judge-...

[bitchstewie]

Swastika's have to be taken in context but don't breach your bail conditions by holding up a banner saying Hamas are terrorists.

Christ there really is something very wrong at the Met isn't there.

[Biggy Stardust]

and31 said:

Signage? It’s a swastika ffs-what does a swastika say to you?
How can you possibly think it has “ context”?

I was in Bali & a Hindu woman had a swastika pendant. In the context of a hindu religious symbol it's utterly inoffensive; in the context of Nazism it's quite unacceptable.

[Vanden Saab]

bhstewie said:

Swastika's have to be taken in context but don't breach your bail conditions by holding up a banner saying Hamas are terrorists.

Christ there really is something very wrong at the Met isn't there.

You have only just noticed? Some of us have been pointing this out for months but we're called racists and were told there was nothing to worry about...

[LM240]

Biggy Stardust said:

and31 said:

Signage? It’s a swastika ffs-what does a swastika say to you?
How can you possibly think it has “ context”?

I was in Bali & a Hindu woman had a swastika pendant. In the context of a hindu religious symbol it's utterly inoffensive; in the context of Nazism it's quite unacceptable.

Also different types…

Outside of some military collectors room/museum, re-enactment or filming, I’m not sure when having a nazi symbol would be seen as okay.

I’d have thought the context was pretty obvious being present at any pro-Palestine / hamas protest.

[Greendubber]

Ridgemont said:

A judge has ruled that our friend with the ‘Hamas is terrorist’ banner is able to continue his counter protests after the judge ruled that his bail conditions imposed by the police banning him from the City of Westminster during protests were disproportionate.

Thank God the Judge has an ounce of common sense as the police appear to have none.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/13/judge-...

I can see both sides of it personally, who'd want to be the Met keeping huge groups of pro-palestine protestors from getting to this bloke every weekend when he turns up with his sign. They have enough on their plates as it is, constant mutual aid each weekend, not enough staff to maintain daily business etc, it's costing millions.

[Vanden Saab]

Greendubber said:

Ridgemont said:

A judge has ruled that our friend with the ‘Hamas is terrorist’ banner is able to continue his counter protests after the judge ruled that his bail conditions imposed by the police banning him from the City of Westminster during protests were disproportionate.

Thank God the Judge has an ounce of common sense as the police appear to have none.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/13/judge-...

I can see both sides of it personally, who'd want to be the Met keeping huge groups of pro-palestine protestors from getting to this bloke every weekend when he turns up with his sign. They have enough on their plates as it is, constant mutual aid each weekend, not enough staff to maintain daily business etc, it's costing millions.

Bloody hell, no wonder the Met is in such a mess if an (ex?) copper thinks there is a side that is fine with mob rule.
How about just arresting everybody who attacks him or shutting down the hate marches in the first place. You know actually doing your job.