Policing of pro Palestinian marches

[Greendubber]

LM240 said:

bhstewie said:

Earthdweller said:

Well he’s certainly got form for being an outspoken critic of the Police and that’s why to my mind it’s a notable post

I'm the guy you regularly accuse of bashing the Police and when I watched the full video I changed my view v how it was originally reported and towards Afazl's view as I've explained on a couple of previous posts.

Really not sure what else the officer could have done.

Another part of this is irresponsible reporting, whether for clicks or pushing a narrative.

The casual observer just sees ‘man threatened with arrest for being Jewish’, leading to more anti-police sentiment. Doesn’t just damage views of policing generally but particularly damaging for interaction with Jewish community.

Even here, people have a view the man was being threatened with arrest for no other reason than being Jewish and standing by the side of the road.

Yep, it's really quite irresponsible. I wonder if some of the high profile names moaning a few days ago will be willing to apologise for spouting off without the facts?

[bitchstewie]

Falter was on LBC last night for an hour or so taking calls.

Quite notable IMHO that even after Sky had released the fuller and longer video that he seemed to be sticking to his original narrative.

Now don't get me wrong I still think he should be able to go wherever he wants without having to worry about being assaulted or abused by "peaceful" protesters.

But if you heard the interview and how he seemed to react to anyone challenging his version of events even slightly and if you watched the full video I think you'd form a different view to if you'd only seen the original video and read the original coverage.

[Randy Winkman]

Greendubber said:

Yep, it's really quite irresponsible. I wonder if some of the high profile names moaning a few days ago will be willing to apologise for spouting off without the facts?

I wonder what our marvellous PM will have to say next about it?

Yesterday: PM 'appalled' by police treatment of Jewish man

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd130lp70x5o

Today: Rishi Sunak says he has confidence in Met Police chief after protest row.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68872398

[ATG]

Randy Winkman said:

Greendubber said:

Yep, it's really quite irresponsible. I wonder if some of the high profile names moaning a few days ago will be willing to apologise for spouting off without the facts?

I wonder what our marvellous PM will have to say next about it?

Yesterday: PM 'appalled' by police treatment of Jewish man

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd130lp70x5o

Today: Rishi Sunak says he has confidence in Met Police chief after protest row.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68872398

I expect it'll be along the lines of, "stop the boats". Possibly, "oh, look! There's a pigeon over there."

[Greendubber]

Randy Winkman said:

Greendubber said:

Yep, it's really quite irresponsible. I wonder if some of the high profile names moaning a few days ago will be willing to apologise for spouting off without the facts?

I wonder what our marvellous PM will have to say next about it?

Yesterday: PM 'appalled' by police treatment of Jewish man

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd130lp70x5o

Today: Rishi Sunak says he has confidence in Met Police chief after protest row.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68872398

It's hilariously awful.

People jumping feet first onto the outrage train to show everyone how awful they thought it was only to completely fold when the full facts appear and paint a different picture.

No apologies though, obviously.

[Panamax]

Greendubber said:

People jumping feet first onto the outrage train to show everyone how awful they thought it was only to completely fold when the full facts appear and paint a different picture.

Absolutely this.

[ATG]

Panamax said:

Greendubber said:

People jumping feet first onto the outrage train to show everyone how awful they thought it was only to completely fold when the full facts appear and paint a different picture.

Absolutely this.

And it's all so bleeding predictable and a complete distraction from a collection of real, difficult and important problems.

[swisstoni]

rohrl said:

swisstoni said:

Let’s pretend these weekly marches were BNP:

And a black man is politely asked by the police to move elsewhere because his presence could be provocative?

Who is to blame?
The black man wanting to live his life like anyone else?
The police?
Or the marchers who might get violent and attack him?

Why do we need to pretend anything or make crap analogies? Can’t we just discuss what actually happened?

Because it explores whether people are being consistent in their approach to discrimination.

[rohrl]

swisstoni said:

rohrl said:

swisstoni said:

Let’s pretend these weekly marches were BNP:

And a black man is politely asked by the police to move elsewhere because his presence could be provocative?

Who is to blame?
The black man wanting to live his life like anyone else?
The police?
Or the marchers who might get violent and attack him?

Why do we need to pretend anything or make crap analogies? Can’t we just discuss what actually happened?

Because it explores whether people are being consistent in their approach to discrimination.

Not if the analogy is bogus.

[swisstoni]

rohrl said:

swisstoni said:

rohrl said:

swisstoni said:

Let’s pretend these weekly marches were BNP:

And a black man is politely asked by the police to move elsewhere because his presence could be provocative?

Who is to blame?
The black man wanting to live his life like anyone else?
The police?
Or the marchers who might get violent and attack him?

Why do we need to pretend anything or make crap analogies? Can’t we just discuss what actually happened?

Because it explores whether people are being consistent in their approach to discrimination.

Not if the analogy is bogus.

What’s bogus about it?

[Castrol for a knave]

fizz47 said:

Gideon Falter should be charged with wasting police time and all the newspapers that lapped his story and
despite everyone now seeing the full video he doubles down with continuously lying in interviews…

Meanwhile at the weekend what actual harassment looks like rather than a manufactured incident.

Contains swearing:

https://x.com/dillyhussain88/status/17824068469694...

The state of that. Tragic little man..

[XCP]

swisstoni said:

What’s bogus about it?

Religion ( and being a tt) is a matter of choice.
Being black isn't.

[Solocle]

swisstoni said:

What’s bogus about it?

Perhaps a better analogy would be an EDL march and a Hijabi Muslim woman.

Regardless, a football analogy certainly is bogus.

[Randy Winkman]

Castrol for a knave said:

fizz47 said:

Gideon Falter should be charged with wasting police time and all the newspapers that lapped his story and
despite everyone now seeing the full video he doubles down with continuously lying in interviews…

Meanwhile at the weekend what actual harassment looks like rather than a manufactured incident.

Contains swearing:

https://x.com/dillyhussain88/status/17824068469694...

The state of that. Tragic little man..

At least he's been arrested though. Will probably come up with some sort of Donald Trump like rubbish in court about being victimised.

[Mojooo]

Gideon's going to London again on the 27th.

[rohrl]

swisstoni said:

What’s bogus about it?

The people marching to protest about what Israel is doing to the Palestinians are motivated by a desire to see an end to the killing and suffering. The BNP are motivated by racial hatred. The BNP are a bunch of thugs.

[Super Sonic]

swisstoni said:

rohrl said:

swisstoni said:

rohrl said:

swisstoni said:

Let’s pretend these weekly marches were BNP:

And a black man is politely asked by the police to move elsewhere because his presence could be provocative?

Who is to blame?
The black man wanting to live his life like anyone else?
The police?
Or the marchers who might get violent and attack him?

Why do we need to pretend anything or make crap analogies? Can’t we just discuss what actually happened?

Because it explores whether people are being consistent in their approach to discrimination.

Not if the analogy is bogus.

What’s bogus about it?

As I pointed out earlier, it's a false equivalence. For the reason I pointed out earlier.

[Super Sonic]

Solocle said:

Perhaps a better analogy would be an EDL march and a Hijabi Muslim woman.

Regardless, a football analogy certainly is bogus.

Except as an example of the police keeping people apart to prevent violence, in which case it's valid. You care to expand on your point about the EDL march and a 'Hijabi Muslim Woman'? ie are you saying she should be allowed to cross the EDL march or she should be prevented for her own protection? It's certainly not clear from your post.

[Solocle]

Super Sonic said:

Except as an example of the police keeping people apart to prevent violence, in which case it's valid. You care to expand on your point about the EDL march and a 'Hijabi Muslim Woman'? ie are you saying she should be allowed to cross the EDL march or she should be prevented for her own protection? It's certainly not clear from your post.

She should be treated exactly as any other member of the public, and not unlawfully discriminated against.

If the public are allowed to cross, so can she, and the police should expend what resources are necessary to ensure that she is safe doing so.

If they don't have the resources to hand, then nobody is to cross, and the additional time and distance incurred on everybody should be considered when setting conditions on the protest, and a change in location to minimise disruption to the general public may well be in order.

[MrJuice]

Gideon didn't just stumble on the march as his Times article suggests. Why does he feel he can lie all the time and demand to be taken seriously?

What a wally