45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[Mortarboard]

Economically it was better, but sod all to do with either of the presidents.

A much more pertinent question for those (possible) voters is "which do you think would be better for the next 4 years?"

Trump is arguably a disaster fir trade, in a period of already elevated inflation.

M.

[Strangely Brown]

Byker28i said:

trumps pushing the boundaries of his gag order again or more likely just can't control himself

Complaining about his gag order again "when all of the sleazebags, lowlifes, and grifters that you oppose are allowed to say absolutely anything that they want"...

and continued with

"Give me liberty of give me death."

Your terms are acceptable.

[Byker28i]

gregs656 said:

Byker28i said:

OK, lets put put this way. I know children of friends in the US who tell me that the student debt relief is being very well received and is an incentive to vote for Biden, they don't see trump as good for their future. Gaza comes a far way down their actual concerns about debt, climate change, abortion, healthcare, all things that trump isn't good for.

The polls actually back that up as well.

So even more specific than your last claim? Helpful.

Take this from CNN for example

'Republicans now are more unified around the idea that Trump’s presidency was a success than Democrats are that Biden’s has been one. Overall, 92% of Republicans call Trump’s time in office a success, while just 73% of Democrats say Biden’s has been a success so far. among independents, 51% say Trump’s presidency was successful, while only 37% see Biden’s as a success.'

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/28/politics/cnn-poll-t...

538 put it close currently in the polls, some just for trump, some just for Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/preside...

We're 6 months from the election, with trump in court over yet another fraud case (and blaming Biden). Are they keeping their powder dry?
Even Fox have been pushing that jobs numbers are good, as above, Bidens brought jobs to an area where trump didn't.

Again, the media need trump, need this to be a close fight, but trumps losing protest votes to Haley who still isn't running. Abortion is a huge negative for the GOP, something trump seems keen to claim he did, then walk it back it's the Sates decision, then brag it was all his doing again.

Noticable yesterday that trump authoritarian Project 2025 was hitting the media...

So honestly, I think there's a lot building against the GOP, with trump stealing all the resources he can, leaving GOP candidates dry of funding. That will only get worse as trump has more and more bills to pay. GOP have gone all in on trump and he's likely to be jailed for contempt soon (maybe), and probably criminal fraud as well, although we're still in the prosecution stage so of course it looks bad so far, however they have docs and witnesses to back the charges so far.

Gaza, whats you're proposed solution? What should Biden do that he hasn't already when demanding ceasefires, withholding arms shipments, trying to supply aid?

Obviously there's a huge possible problem coming the Biden administration with the news the US will report on whether Israel violated international and U.S. laws
https://apnews.com/article/gaza-israel-leahy-biden...

GOP have always seemed better at their combined messaging, even when lying or protecting trump, than the Dems. I think we've all agreed thats something they should work on. GOP seem to push a unified message for that day or so, no matter how rubbish it is.

Whats your suggestion as to what team Biden should be doing and when, now or after the trump criminal trial concludes.
They push regular press conferences, Biden speaks often.

Bearing in mind there seems to be donor apathy at the moment so there's not a lot of money to spend? 6 months to go, when would you go hard etc?

There's been a lot of Biden sucesses but the media won't/don't report them. How do they push these and their need to make trump seem viable?

[LF5335]

Strangely Brown said:

Byker28i said:

trumps pushing the boundaries of his gag order again or more likely just can't control himself

Complaining about his gag order again "when all of the sleazebags, lowlifes, and grifters that you oppose are allowed to say absolutely anything that they want"...

and continued with

"Give me liberty of give me death."

Your terms are acceptable.

That’s another of his thin and poorly coded messages appealing to the lunatic fringe.

[Byker28i]

Could be interesting to see how this is reported across the media

President Biden is travelling to Racine County, Wisconsin today to unveil a $3.3 billion investment by Microsoft to build an AI data center in the state.

This is the same location where, seven years ago, Trump touted a $10 billion Foxconn facility as the "eighth wonder of the world.", that never happened
https://www.axios.com/2024/05/08/biden-hits-trump-...

[Byker28i]

Then Biden today in Wisconsin attacks trump for promising infrastructure and never delivering

"They dug a hole with golden shovels"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1788267355253969283

and
https://twitter.com/i/status/1788257892195242448

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 8th May 19:20

[Byker28i]

Even Fox brought up the votes Haley got in Indiana
https://twitter.com/i/status/1788243418117812572

[Voldemort]

gregs656 said:

Byker28i said:

OK, lets put put this way. I know children of friends in the US who tell me that the student debt relief is being very well received and is an incentive to vote for Biden, they don't see trump as good for their future. Gaza comes a far way down their actual concerns about debt, climate change, abortion, healthcare, all things that trump isn't good for.

The polls actually back that up as well.

So even more specific than your last claim? Helpful.

Take this from CNN for example

'Republicans now are more unified around the idea that Trump’s presidency was a success than Democrats are that Biden’s has been one. Overall, 92% of Republicans call Trump’s time in office a success, while just 73% of Democrats say Biden’s has been a success so far. among independents, 51% say Trump’s presidency was successful, while only 37% see Biden’s as a success.'

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/28/politics/cnn-poll-t...

92% of Republicans sounds great but might be 50,000,000 people
73% of Democrats sounds less so but might be 150,000,000 people

Polls and statistics can be made (and read) any way you want.

I think it's going to be a bloodbath for Trump. But, like everyone else, I'll have to wait and see.

[gregs656]

Mortarboard said:

Economically it was better, but sod all to do with either of the presidents.

A much more pertinent question for those (possible) voters is "which do you think would be better for the next 4 years?"

Trump is arguably a disaster fir trade, in a period of already elevated inflation.

M.

I think we can agree that Biden and the Dems do a poor job at messaging and that is having an impact on Biden's approval rating within his base.

[Byker28i]

trumps spent the day grifting rather than campaigning, hosting a dinner at the Florida social club for people who bought his non-fungible tokens trading cards

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/tru...

[Byker28i]

Spotted this, explains maga?

[VTC]

Stolen top secret document trial suspended today
FBI shady dealings with fabricated /mishandled evidence.

Byker spin this to be the Orange mans fault please I an intrigued.

[hidetheelephants]

VTC said:

Stolen top secret document trial suspended today
FBI shady dealings with fabricated /mishandled evidence.

Byker spin this to be the Orange mans fault please I an intrigued.

It is, but indirectly; judge is appointed by Trump, has a stack of decisions she hasn't made, is using the fact she has a stack of decisions she hasn't made as a reason to postpone the trial because she needs more time to not make those decisions she hasn't made. Clear? FBI not involved.

[unrepentant]

Byker28i said:

Another large protest vote against trump in the Indiana Primary, Haley again getting a large number of votes despite not running

Yes, even here in bright red Indiana, nearly a quarter of Republican primary voters voted against Donald Trump

Having said that they also voted to elect someone who’s been dead for 2 months so make your own minds up.

https://fox59.com/indianapolitics/leader-in-indian...

[Mortarboard]

Judge at risk of being replaced now, due to her actions.

Not goid for trump. In fact, could be catastrophic for him if he doesn't get the Whitehouse. Peddling secrets is serious risk of a stay in the chokey, and not a token visit.

M.

[dobbo_]

EddieSteadyGo said:

No. Re-read what I originally said. Paulguitar asked which cases I thought against Trump should be dropped and for what reasons. I said I couldn't answer that fully because I'd not read all the evidence for all the cases in detail.

However, I did give me view on the "property over-valuation" case, where, based on the evidence I read, I concluded he was guilty. But I thought the size of the fine was punitive and would be reduced massively on appeal.

And for the "hush money" case, I wasn't certain, but my *feeling* was that they are probably overstating their case in order to prosecute for a felony, when it probably isn't.

I love you eddie.

I don't need to reread what you said, but for lols

"my feeling on this case ("Hush Money") is it that probably doesn't pass the criminal threshold, and it should probably have been a misdemeanour."

Why, would you post this comment, with no knowledge, no expertise, no information?

Have a look at the court transcripts for the last few days and come back. AND. It's not a "hush money" case.

[EddieSteadyGo]

dobbo_ said:

I love you eddie.

I don't need to reread what you said, but for lols

"my feeling on this case ("Hush Money") is it that probably doesn't pass the criminal threshold, and it should probably have been a misdemeanour."

Why, would you post this comment, with no knowledge, no expertise, no information?

Have a look at the court transcripts for the last few days and come back. AND. It's not a "hush money" case.

You are like a dog with a bone!

I didn't say I had "no knowledge, no expertise, no information". I said I had no qualification (in a reply to Al Gorithum). I've followed the case, but we haven't heard all the evidence, so I gave a caveated view based on what I've heard so far. Sorry that isn't definitive enough for you!

And it is the "Hush Money" case, in common parlance, as well you know!

[hidetheelephants]

EddieSteadyGo said:

And it is the "Hush Money" case, in common parlance, as well you know!

It's called the "hush money" case by prurient muckraking tabloids who want maximum splash for phoned in tripe from disaffected journalists who wish they'd gone for a career path that didn't involve being made redundant by algorithms. It's a campaign finance fraud case.

[EddieSteadyGo]

hidetheelephants said:

It's called the "hush money" case by prurient muckraking tabloids who want maximum splash for phoned in tripe from disaffected journalists who wish they'd gone for a career path that didn't involve being made redundant by algorithms. It's a campaign finance fraud case.

It's called the "hush money" case by *everyone*, including CNN, the BBC et al. Quibbling this point is obtuse.

[hidetheelephants]

EddieSteadyGo said:

hidetheelephants said:

It's called the "hush money" case by prurient muckraking tabloids who want maximum splash for phoned in tripe from disaffected journalists who wish they'd gone for a career path that didn't involve being made redundant by algorithms. It's a campaign finance fraud case.

It's called the "hush money" case by *everyone*, including CNN, the BBC et al. Quibbling this point is obtuse.

I don't call it that because it's not, that the media are generally calling it that doesn't stop it being prurient tabloid garbage.