45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[F1GTRUeno]

14 said:

In a year’s time Trump will be broke and a twice failed presidential candidate. The Supreme Court will have ruled that Presidents don’t have complete immunity and Trump will have been found guilty in 3 criminal trials.

The Supreme Court will contrive to rule they do have complete immunity and the whole country will go mental.

The trials will take longer than a year.

[dobbo_]

LF5335 said:

dobbo_ said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and state that I believe multiple criminal trials for things like fraud and espionage, are not the same as a recording of him speaking to a reporter and saying gross things.

Change the record.

I'm sure that seemed clever when you wrote it.

I missed out looming bankruptcy and the total collapse of his businesses. The entire documented history of his electoral failures. The total financial collapse of the GOP leading into a general election

But you know, you guys have a bad feeling so, you do you.

[Prolex-UK]

dobbo_ said:

LF5335 said:

dobbo_ said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and state that I believe multiple criminal trials for things like fraud and espionage, are not the same as a recording of him speaking to a reporter and saying gross things.

Change the record.

I'm sure that seemed clever when you wrote it.

I missed out looming bankruptcy and the total collapse of his businesses. The entire documented history of his electoral failures. The total financial collapse of the GOP leading into a general election

But you know, you guys have a bad feeling so, you do you.

Also the fact that he is nowhere near a billionaire.

All properties are mortgaged to the hilt

[F1GTRUeno]

dobbo_ said:

Personally I get cold sweats over a couple of k credit card debt.

If any one of you thinks owing over a billion dollars that you can't pay whilst pretending you're wealthy is getting away with it then crack on.

He doesn't need to be in prison to lose everything. But he will be.

Think about it, sending a former president and current presidential candidate to prison is utterly completely un.... Presidented

He's owed a stload of money to people/banks/organisations repeatedly throughout his life and always found a way to come out smelling of roses. He's the self proclaimed king of debt. Unfortunately his proclamation for once isn't too far off.

The rules for you getting cold sweats over a couple k of credit card debt are not the same for him.

dobbo_ said:

I'm sure that seemed clever when you wrote it.

I missed out looming bankruptcy and the total collapse of his businesses. The entire documented history of his electoral failures. The total financial collapse of the GOP leading into a general election

But you know, you guys have a bad feeling so, you do you.

Can you not see it though. Everything wrong/bad in his life has been documented yet he still has a following (of what size is to be determined), he still has sycophants everywhere running interference and there's still an alarming chance he gets away with it. The US has form for shooting itself in the foot repeatedly, there's more of a chance they confound conventional wisdom and fk this up too than not.

Edited by F1GTRUeno on Thursday 28th March 09:08

Edited by F1GTRUeno on Thursday 28th March 09:08

[dobbo_]

I've said before many times that I can see it, and I understand why people have concerns.

But all the evidence is there, that yes, he's got away with things in the past but he won't this time.

Republicans have no platform, no agenda, no policies that appeal to the American public apart from stoking up fear.

Trump is deeply unwell, physically and mentally.

The multiple criminal trials can't just disappear.

His supporters are abandoning him, he's reduced to hawking Bibles and gold shoes FFS.

[djc206]

F1GTRUeno said:

The Supreme Court will contrive to rule they do have complete immunity and the whole country will go mental.

The trials will take longer than a year.

Some of them are fruit loops and at least one woefully under qualified but they’re not thick, they know that has ramifications in the future as it will apply to both Republican and Democratic presidents and essentially sts on the idea of justice for all. The pledge of allegiance would need some modification.

[ScotHill]

J6542 said:

Easy double your money for you if your feeling brave them, a Dem win is still even money at the bookies.
My mortgage is due for renewal next March, and I have about half the amount in a savings account. Like you I can’t see how Trump can possibly win this, and the temptation to be mortgage free is strong. But I still don’t have faith in the American public to not vote him back in.

I'll take that bet - the best odds already went from 3.0 to 2.6 over the last week or so. If Trump wins I'll get more entertainment out of this thread, if Biden wins it'll pay for my weekend in the south of France.

Only doubt I have is if Biden doesn't make it all the way to election day for whatever reason, but as people have pointed out he is looking very strong and active at the moment, whereas Trump is thinking about his swing and Sing Sing.

[Mr Pointy]

dobbo_ said:

LF5335 said:

dobbo_ said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and state that I believe multiple criminal trials for things like fraud and espionage, are not the same as a recording of him speaking to a reporter and saying gross things.

Change the record.

I'm sure that seemed clever when you wrote it.

I missed out looming bankruptcy and the total collapse of his businesses. The entire documented history of his electoral failures. The total financial collapse of the GOP leading into a general election

But you know, you guys have a bad feeling so, you do you.

I think Mr LF was just pointing out how he had been responded to by others in this thread.

[Speed 3]

Assuming he does make it through to the election or thereabouts and doesn't win, what do we think rationally is the most likely and best outcome for the US & the world ?

1. He drags it out until the election without running out of other people's money then somehow keeps appealing and grifting for another year or two but everyone loses interest
2. He drags it out until the election without running out of other people's money then gets jailed
3. He runs out of money before the election, goes bankrupt and the GOP have to drop him
4. He does get sentenced to jail time robustly before the election but is out on appeal
5. He does get sentenced to jail time robustly before the election but is not out on appeal

All of course "trumped" be a catastrophic health event.

Thoughts on what the MAGAmob would do in each scenario ?


Edited for clarity

Edited by Speed 3 on Thursday 28th March 09:52

[LF5335]

Mr Pointy said:

dobbo_ said:

LF5335 said:

dobbo_ said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and state that I believe multiple criminal trials for things like fraud and espionage, are not the same as a recording of him speaking to a reporter and saying gross things.

Change the record.

I'm sure that seemed clever when you wrote it.

I missed out looming bankruptcy and the total collapse of his businesses. The entire documented history of his electoral failures. The total financial collapse of the GOP leading into a general election

But you know, you guys have a bad feeling so, you do you.

I think Mr LF was just pointing out how he had been responded to by others in this thread.

That’s it really. Others post their same opinion daily, dressed up as a fact, but it doesn’t alter the fact, that right now nothing at all has impacted him personally. He will just continue to drag it out and keep kicking the can endlessly.

[98elise]

LF5335 said:

dobbo_ said:

I was one of those saying it's all over, and I haven't been proven wrong. And I still am saying it. He's done. Toast. Finished.

It's just, well, these things don't happen instantly. Which shouldn't need to be explained.

Like a supertanker. Momentum. It's going to crash, it's inevitable. But it hasn't yet. Does that mean it won't? No.

The problem is your insistence that because he's not in an orange jumpsuit right now, he's getting away with it.

He is currently getting away with it. Ultimately he might not, but there have been no real consequences for him. Sure, lots of civil rulings against him, all of which he’s appealing. The ones referenced like Trump University were all out of court settlements, which are a compromise that works for both sides. Has the original $5m appeal been heard yet? It’s a year since that was awarded & subsequently appealed.

Stating something and not being proved wrong is not being proven right btw. If I say ghosts exist, then it would be a bit ridiculous if that is deemed to be true, because I haven’t been proven wrong. Trump makes a lot of wild claims, most of which have been proven wrong, but some haven’t. That doesn’t make the latter right though.

He isn't appealing the rulings. He's appealing the amount of damages/fines. He's on the hook for large amounts of money, it's just arguing about how much.

[minimoog]

dobbo_ said:

Republicans have no platform, no agenda, no policies that appeal to the American public apart from stoking up fear.

This is the one thing that gives me some comfort, the resistance to wanting to be ruled by the American Taliban. Hopefully that swings it.

Just gotta hope Joe can stay on his feet.

[dobbo_]

The "he's getting away with it" narrative is flawed, terribly so. He's lost multiple times, he can't hide forever from those rulings

Anyway, the reason cg2 and others post such content is if you actually take the time you can see how much trouble he is in.

This is a long read but it's a nonpartisan analysis of his upcoming criminal trial. You can of course not read it and dismiss it and continue to state that he's getting away with it.

https://www.justsecurity.org/93916/guide-manhattan...

[dobbo_]

LF5335 said:

That’s it really. Others post their same opinion daily, dressed up as a fact

That's disingenuous, others post "opinions" based on evidence and knowledge of the systems and how they work.

Some post chicken littling Trump is untouchable comments. Understandable sentiment, but it's apples and oranges.

Read the link I posted above

[Bonefish Blues]

Al Gorithum said:

IMO Trump is a cornered rat now. He knows the trouble he's in so has no choice other than to continue the lies and intimidation in the hope of grifting money and getting elected.

Expect much more of the same.

He has no other playbook - but the number of believers, and those prepared to hold their nose is many fewer.

[Countdown]

dobbo_ said:

LF5335 said:

dobbo_ said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and state that I believe multiple criminal trials for things like fraud and espionage, are not the same as a recording of him speaking to a reporter and saying gross things.

Change the record.

I'm sure that seemed clever when you wrote it.

I missed out looming bankruptcy and the total collapse of his businesses. The entire documented history of his electoral failures. The total financial collapse of the GOP leading into a general election

But you know, you guys have a bad feeling so, you do you.

His businesses collapse all the time but he seems to walk away with more money each time.

In terms of bankruptcy - his stake in TS is apparently worth $$$billions.

[Byker28i]

LF5335 said:

That’s it really. Others post their same opinion daily, dressed up as a fact, but it doesn’t alter the fact, that right now nothing at all has impacted him personally. He will just continue to drag it out and keep kicking the can endlessly.

It has though, you can see he's under a lot of strain. I think he knows and fears he is suffering mental decline, his father had very bad dementia.
His health is terrible, he's relying on a huge use of make up to cover up a lot, and dim lighting. We saw it when he was running from court to campaign event to court in the early primaries. Disheveled (trump never is - his image is everything), foot dragging, speech issues, general tiredness, probably upper use, persistent lateness, all signs things are impacting.

Then there's the money problems. Businesses losing money, huge legal bills, he's spent just about everything in the pots he's grifted from the faithful, $400+m gone in 3 years, and there's nothing left. Everything is mortgaged to the hilt with loans against it, and they'll be nothing left when sold when the IRS take their cut.

Donations aren't coming in, he's being propped up with the occasional $m from rich gop donors, which is like chucking 20p into a homeless mans can (or throwing a tiny mushroom penis into an adult star) - it doesn't touch the sides or do anything useful.

There's no money left for campaigning, nor has trump got the health to hit the sort of rallies he was so successful at before. His primary ones were small, to the selected faithful and any protester that tried to get in or got in was quickly removed. Carefully controlled photos so one didn't see how empty even the small venues were.

He is kicking the can, because theres nothing else he can do. Everythings closing in on him now, very slowly but it is. It's the ultimate punishment, death by a thousand cuts, but he's taken his eye off what should be his ultimate aim, to become potus again, because thats all that can save him.

In his desperate attempt to fight his court cases, he's exposing his worse side to the floating voters. He's not 'a man like them' he was boasting of having huge sums of cash, and his rich white mans privilege shown him by the courts has again revealed the us and them between the few rich and the majority of US citizens.

Many if not most have turned, even GOP voters are now saying they won't vote for trump, and that shows how weak Maga has become. They wouldn't have been brave enough to voice that before. He hasn't the money to campaign, isn't meeting the faithful, promoting the cult, which is where he was so successful before.

It's all sliding away from him, slowly, but inevitably. And he's still got multiple civil cases to face from his insurrection day, from Police officers etc. Imagine that optic, trump vs the police...

[Byker28i]

minimoog said:

dobbo_ said:

Republicans have no platform, no agenda, no policies that appeal to the American public apart from stoking up fear.

This is the one thing that gives me some comfort, the resistance to wanting to be ruled by the American Taliban. Hopefully that swings it.

Just gotta hope Joe can stay on his feet.

Out of the two - which do you think is the fittest, has the best diet, has the least mental decline.
Then which do you think has the best doctors, not just yes men?

Lets face it, one still has his wife sleep with him... the other's wife has hardly been in the same room with him during the day in the last few years and certainly has had separate bedrooms for over 8 years

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 28th March 10:23

[ScotHill]

Countdown said:

In terms of bankruptcy - his stake in TS is apparently worth $$$billions.

I think this is what some people are talking about - it's been explained on here and with links to professionals in the industry how it may be worth billions on paper, but there are limitations on what he can do with it, and if he starts to sell it in quantity then the price will tank.

It would still be worth something, as long as there are enough mugs to buy it at a high enough price, but he's not sitting on top of billions of dollar bills, far from it.

[Bonefish Blues]

LF5335 said:

Mr Pointy said:

dobbo_ said:

LF5335 said:

dobbo_ said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and state that I believe multiple criminal trials for things like fraud and espionage, are not the same as a recording of him speaking to a reporter and saying gross things.

Change the record.

I'm sure that seemed clever when you wrote it.

I missed out looming bankruptcy and the total collapse of his businesses. The entire documented history of his electoral failures. The total financial collapse of the GOP leading into a general election

But you know, you guys have a bad feeling so, you do you.

I think Mr LF was just pointing out how he had been responded to by others in this thread.

That’s it really. Others post their same opinion daily, dressed up as a fact, but it doesn’t alter the fact, that right now nothing at all has impacted him personally. He will just continue to drag it out and keep kicking the can endlessly.

That's a bit like saying someone who is walking the plank is personally unaffected as they inch towards its end. There's a point where there is no more plank. Now the plank's certainly longer than anyone would like (and we can argue endlessly about its length!), but a plank it is.