Javier Milei wins Argentina election
Discussion
Have I got this right, he thinks it's fine if you want to get paid to have your kidney removed, but woe betide you if you want or indeed need to have an undeveloped foetus removed?
The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
CivicDuties said:
Have I got this right, he thinks it's fine if you want to get paid to have your kidney removed, but woe betide you if you want or indeed need to have an undeveloped foetus removed?
The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
Isn't your kidney part of your own body whereas a fetus is the entirety of someone else's body.The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
So there is a difference.
It's way more logical than arguing it the other way round. If you're allowed to have a fetus removed you should certainly be allowed to have a kidney removed. Not so simple the other way round.
CivicDuties said:
Have I got this right, he thinks it's fine if you want to get paid to have your kidney removed, but woe betide you if you want or indeed need to have an undeveloped foetus removed?
The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
He's a hard line libertarian and self identified Catholic, although with no love for the Pope and the Catholic establishment. The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
His critique is rooted in libertarian principles, particularly the non-aggression principle. This extends to his position on social issues, such as abortion and euthanasia, where he sees these actions as infringing on property rights, drawing parallels with theft.
In the realm of abortion, Milei takes an uncompromising stance, deeming it morally indefensible even in cases of rape. He supports abortion only when the life of the mother is at risk.
You should watch the Tucker Carlson interview that he did with him.
This is a short clip that explains his position on abortion: https://x.com/ningshensorei/status/172646679869723...
CivicDuties said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Isn't your kidney part of your own body whereas a fetus is the entirety of someone else's body.
Think you might want to run that one past some women. And then run for your life.I stand by my original comment. There is a difference.
BikeBikeBIke said:
CivicDuties said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Isn't your kidney part of your own body whereas a fetus is the entirety of someone else's body.
Think you might want to run that one past some women. And then run for your life.I stand by my original comment. There is a difference.
t mental.Is it your contention that one or other of these polices is a good idea?
The whole abortion thing is a Catholic thing (for him), not a political thing. And yes, I think most of us have a cpl of issues with the more hardcore Catholics out there.
Selling your own kidney, etc is a libertarian thing for him. As I said previously though, anybody contemplating doing as such aint thinking left, right or any other ideology, they are just thinking desperately. Which in my astonishingly simple world view is a far more thought provoking concern. Being free to sell your kidney is a far less concerning proposition than *having* to sell your kidney...
Selling your own kidney, etc is a libertarian thing for him. As I said previously though, anybody contemplating doing as such aint thinking left, right or any other ideology, they are just thinking desperately. Which in my astonishingly simple world view is a far more thought provoking concern. Being free to sell your kidney is a far less concerning proposition than *having* to sell your kidney...
RichTT said:
CivicDuties said:
Have I got this right, he thinks it's fine if you want to get paid to have your kidney removed, but woe betide you if you want or indeed need to have an undeveloped foetus removed?
The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
He's a hard line libertarian and self identified Catholic, although with no love for the Pope and the Catholic establishment. The man is quite clearly a moron, and the people of Argentina have quite clearly taken leave of their senses, again.
There's no way this ends well.
His critique is rooted in libertarian principles, particularly the non-aggression principle. This extends to his position on social issues, such as abortion and euthanasia, where he sees these actions as infringing on property rights, drawing parallels with theft.
In the realm of abortion, Milei takes an uncompromising stance, deeming it morally indefensible even in cases of rape. He supports abortion only when the life of the mother is at risk.
You should watch the Tucker Carlson interview that he did with him.
This is a short clip that explains his position on abortion: https://x.com/ningshensorei/status/172646679869723...
Then in this post give perfect reasons why they're labelling him as such.
Not sure why your OP was toned as such if you knew?
DeejRC said:
The whole abortion thing is a Catholic thing (for him), not a political thing. And yes, I think most of us have a cpl of issues with the more hardcore Catholics out there.
Selling your own kidney, etc is a libertarian thing for him. As I said previously though, anybody contemplating doing as such aint thinking left, right or any other ideology, they are just thinking desperately. Which in my astonishingly simple world view is a far more thought provoking concern. Being free to sell your kidney is a far less concerning proposition than *having* to sell your kidney...
How is it not a political thing when he proposes to *legislate* for it? Or is his idea some kind of Saudi-style theocracy, but Catholic this time?Selling your own kidney, etc is a libertarian thing for him. As I said previously though, anybody contemplating doing as such aint thinking left, right or any other ideology, they are just thinking desperately. Which in my astonishingly simple world view is a far more thought provoking concern. Being free to sell your kidney is a far less concerning proposition than *having* to sell your kidney...
And when an organised crime racket comes along and threatens to kill your child if you don't allow them to remove your kidney so they can sell it on to the highest bidder, how free is your choice? Don't tell me this won't happen, it is an inevitable consequence of such a brainless proposal.
It's just utter bats
t lunacy.Man, I do love a Libertarian Catholic. What a contradiction.
DeejRC said:
The whole abortion thing is a Catholic thing (for him), not a political thing. And yes, I think most of us have a cpl of issues with the more hardcore Catholics out there.
Selling your own kidney, etc is a libertarian thing for him. As I said previously though, anybody contemplating doing as such aint thinking left, right or any other ideology, they are just thinking desperately. Which in my astonishingly simple world view is a far more thought provoking concern. Being free to sell your kidney is a far less concerning proposition than *having* to sell your kidney...
Exactly. For me it's the difference between principle and real life. For me, someone should be free to decide to sell their kidney but if they actually do, why the hell is that? And why the heck does the issue even get a mention?Selling your own kidney, etc is a libertarian thing for him. As I said previously though, anybody contemplating doing as such aint thinking left, right or any other ideology, they are just thinking desperately. Which in my astonishingly simple world view is a far more thought provoking concern. Being free to sell your kidney is a far less concerning proposition than *having* to sell your kidney...
I'm flying out to Argentina at the weekend, so I'll report back 
In 1900 Argentina was the 5th richest country in the world. But generations of bad govt had wrecked it. It's a basket case economy, and I can't even swap my currency to Argentinian on my Revolut card.
Their problem is endemic corruption and tax evasion, all across society. They had a similar issue in Uruguay, but the govt put in place a whole load of measures to restrict the use of cash and make it mainly a card payment based economy. Thus making tax evasion much harder. Seems to have had some success when I last bothered to read up on it.
Last time I was in Argentina, 5 years ago, someone said about the corruption, "you can't even get a hand job here without greasing someone's palm"
It's a shame. It's an amazing country with great people. and they love the English. They have a saying to describe someone who is very honest, "paga como un ingles", he pays like an Englishman.
In 1900 Argentina was the 5th richest country in the world. But generations of bad govt had wrecked it. It's a basket case economy, and I can't even swap my currency to Argentinian on my Revolut card.
Their problem is endemic corruption and tax evasion, all across society. They had a similar issue in Uruguay, but the govt put in place a whole load of measures to restrict the use of cash and make it mainly a card payment based economy. Thus making tax evasion much harder. Seems to have had some success when I last bothered to read up on it.
Last time I was in Argentina, 5 years ago, someone said about the corruption, "you can't even get a hand job here without greasing someone's palm"
It's a shame. It's an amazing country with great people. and they love the English. They have a saying to describe someone who is very honest, "paga como un ingles", he pays like an Englishman.
Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Monday 20th November 11:13
Unfortunately the only vaguely sane candidates were eliminated earlier in the election so the final round was between two pillocks
There are very major problems with dollarising the economy. No one will lend you money anywhere near the rates they'll offer to Americans. If a US firm can borrow at 7%, an equivalent Argentine term might be able to borrow at 12%. How the hell is the Argentine firm supposed to compete with the American one when the cost of borrowing is so massively different? And what happens when Argentina's economy is on its arse and needs a looser fiscal stance while America's economy is on fire and the Fed is jacking up rates accordingly? And. Heaven forbid, what happens when Argentina engineers an inflationary bubble and needs higher rates to cap its inflation, but the US doesn't?
The reality is that the bond markets will see this policy as unsustainable and therefore they'll require a substantial risk premium to be paid on all Argentine dollar-denominated debt. And that right there is a vicious circle that dooms this policy.
In reality, I doubt he'll actually implement it.
There are very major problems with dollarising the economy. No one will lend you money anywhere near the rates they'll offer to Americans. If a US firm can borrow at 7%, an equivalent Argentine term might be able to borrow at 12%. How the hell is the Argentine firm supposed to compete with the American one when the cost of borrowing is so massively different? And what happens when Argentina's economy is on its arse and needs a looser fiscal stance while America's economy is on fire and the Fed is jacking up rates accordingly? And. Heaven forbid, what happens when Argentina engineers an inflationary bubble and needs higher rates to cap its inflation, but the US doesn't?
The reality is that the bond markets will see this policy as unsustainable and therefore they'll require a substantial risk premium to be paid on all Argentine dollar-denominated debt. And that right there is a vicious circle that dooms this policy.
In reality, I doubt he'll actually implement it.
BikeBikeBIke said:
CivicDuties said:
Of course there's a "difference"
Think you might want to run that one past some women. And then run for your life.F1GTRUeno said:
So in your OP you basically suggest the media are labelling him for no fair reason due to disagreement with his stance.
Then in this post give perfect reasons why they're labelling him as such.
Not sure why your OP was toned as such if you knew?
It's a useless catch all label, much over used, lost all rhetorical meaning, that invokes an emotional response and has no nuance. Libertarianism is like every political 'class' in that there is nuance even within the label. It's distinctly opposite authoritarianism. Then in this post give perfect reasons why they're labelling him as such.
Not sure why your OP was toned as such if you knew?
The confusion also comes from that while is absolute in his own personal moral stance he has said that he will put the current 14 week abortion law up for a referendum for the people to decide.
https://buenosairesherald.com/politics/milei-says-...
ATG said:
Unfortunately the only vaguely sane candidates were eliminated earlier in the election so the final round was between two pillocks
There are very major problems with dollarising the economy. No one will lend you money anywhere near the rates they'll offer to Americans. If a US firm can borrow at 7%, an equivalent Argentine term might be able to borrow at 12%. How the hell is the Argentine firm supposed to compete with the American one when the cost of borrowing is so massively different? And what happens when Argentina's economy is on its arse and needs a looser fiscal stance while America's economy is on fire and the Fed is jacking up rates accordingly? And. Heaven forbid, what happens when Argentina engineers an inflationary bubble and needs higher rates to cap its inflation, but the US doesn't?
The reality is that the bond markets will see this policy as unsustainable and therefore they'll require a substantial risk premium to be paid on all Argentine dollar-denominated debt. And that right there is a vicious circle that dooms this policy.
In reality, I doubt he'll actually implement it.
Suspect this will be more of a factor. Gravity can only be defied for so long, as the Tories are currently discovering.There are very major problems with dollarising the economy. No one will lend you money anywhere near the rates they'll offer to Americans. If a US firm can borrow at 7%, an equivalent Argentine term might be able to borrow at 12%. How the hell is the Argentine firm supposed to compete with the American one when the cost of borrowing is so massively different? And what happens when Argentina's economy is on its arse and needs a looser fiscal stance while America's economy is on fire and the Fed is jacking up rates accordingly? And. Heaven forbid, what happens when Argentina engineers an inflationary bubble and needs higher rates to cap its inflation, but the US doesn't?
The reality is that the bond markets will see this policy as unsustainable and therefore they'll require a substantial risk premium to be paid on all Argentine dollar-denominated debt. And that right there is a vicious circle that dooms this policy.
In reality, I doubt he'll actually implement it.
Newspaper said:
Many experts believe Milei will be forced to moderate after taking power next month and will struggle to implement his more controversial proposals. Milei’s party controls just 38 of 257 seats in Argentina’s lower house and eight of 72 in the senate.
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