Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Reform will receive a large number of votes from disaffected Tories and some Labour supporters in the 'red wall'. They won't win any seats, or if they do, you'll have change from the digits on one hand.

They are a protest vote party. They cannot deliver on their manifesto. They can't fiscally afford it. But that doesn't matter, they will be insignificant in a couple of years time.

[bad company]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Reform will receive a large number of votes from disaffected Tories and some Labour supporters in the 'red wall'. They won't win any seats, or if they do, you'll have change from the digits on one hand.

They are a protest vote party. They cannot deliver on their manifesto. They can't fiscally afford it. But that doesn't matter, they will be insignificant in a couple of years time.

I agree apart from the final sentence. Not so sure they’ll be insignificant. I reckon they’ve got a decent chance of becoming a major political force.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

It all depends on how badly the Tories perform in the GE and, to an extent, Labour.

[Vanden Saab]

valiant said:

Unfortunately for all you ‘angry old white voters’ you’re a dying breed. The generation behind you tend to be more broad in their outlook and will look to the rejoining the EU at some point.

Haven't you heard there are more retiring than dying.

[mike9009]

crankedup5 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

turbobloke said:

Wishful thinking? Or if not, evidence?

If the court would take a look at exhibit '1a' your honour, they will see the content of this thread. They should pay special attention to the ramblings of the nuttier end of team reform...

[Img]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/07/30/14/5856113.jpg[/thumb]

And yet brought about the biggest single change in politics over decades of lazy inaction from various Governments.
Your Honour Exhibit ‘B’ brexit.

Exhibit 'B'.....the biggest waste of time in politics in a generation (or five).

[crankedup5]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

Hang on, I seem to remember you were quite happy for the RNLI to not rescue people drowning?

You have identified the wrong poster.

[crankedup5]

Killboy said:

crankedup5 said:

You may think that the younger generation are more broad in their outlook, whatever that means. But the World is rapidly changing, the West is losing its trading and wealth superiority rapidly to the Asian pacific region alongside Mexico and other emerging economies.
You seem to be saying that you want things to go back to pre brexit, living in the past will not cut it.
If you are fortunate you may grow older and hold different views to those behind you.

I think many young people would love things to go back to pre-brexit, where they could work, study and enjoy a whole load of places and cultures in life. Not sure what's going to make them bitter and angry except what their parents have done to them.

I thought the EU had put a proposal to the U.K. for just that. Young people 18 years to 30 years.

[crankedup5]

bhstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

bhstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

I'm glad you'e shocked as it's a petty gross response.

Given he's Co-Deputy Leader of Reform do you think Habib is likely to be the only person in the leadership of Reform who have that view?

Or do you think he just said the quiet part out loud?

On the more serious side without the usual jousting, I want to hear a response from Tice regarding this. I feel that this is a resigning issue .

What do you think Tice is going to say and why do you think he hasn't said it?

I may be surprised and Habib will be gone tomorrow but I doubt it.

Reform include some very unpleasant people.

This is what lots of people keep trying to tell you.

Have to see what develops from this. If a resignation comes in or a dismissal then my support for Reform U.K. stands.Thing is nasty stuff is emitted from political mouths of all colour rosettes.

[crankedup5]

mike9009 said:

crankedup5 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

turbobloke said:

Wishful thinking? Or if not, evidence?

If the court would take a look at exhibit '1a' your honour, they will see the content of this thread. They should pay special attention to the ramblings of the nuttier end of team reform...

[Img]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/07/30/14/5856113.jpg[/thumb]

And yet brought about the biggest single change in politics over decades of lazy inaction from various Governments.
Your Honour Exhibit ‘B’ brexit.

Exhibit 'B'.....the biggest waste of time in politics in a generation (or five).

Best thing that could happen to the U.K. it will take time for some people to appreciate that.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

Hang on, I seem to remember you were quite happy for the RNLI to not rescue people drowning?

You have identified the wrong poster.

Nope fairly sure it was you a few years ago, calling the RNLI a taxi service and saying they should rescue people.

[oyster]

Dagnir said:

The criminals breaking into our country to take advantage of our weakness are at risk? The risk they willingly put themselves in to break the law and break into our country?


If someone was risking a broken leg to break into your house through a skylight, would you put up a ladder and open the door to remove the risk of injury?

It’s morally wrong to steal. It’s not morally wrong to migrate.

Are you suggesting we remove laws relating to immigration so it’s perfectly legal to come and go as one pleases?

[crankedup5]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

I do not support any notion of letting people drown anywhere or at any time. I am shocked at his response tbh.

Hang on, I seem to remember you were quite happy for the RNLI to not rescue people drowning?

You have identified the wrong poster.

Nope fairly sure it was you a few years ago, calling the RNLI a taxi service and saying they should rescue people.

Nope you are mistaken.

Eta : thinking about it I do now recall saying that the RNLI were acting as a taxi service, and still are. That’s not to say that I endorse watching people drown.
The issue is of course that people traffickers will advise their paying customers not to worry you will get picked up by RNLI.

Edited by crankedup5 on Wednesday 24th April 22:33

[Killboy]

crankedup5 said:

I thought the EU had put a proposal to the U.K. for just that. Young people 18 years to 30 years.

Did young people get to choose?

[crankedup5]

Killboy said:

crankedup5 said:

I thought the EU had put a proposal to the U.K. for just that. Young people 18 years to 30 years.

Did young people get to choose?

Not quite sure what you mean,

[Killboy]

crankedup5 said:

Not quite sure what you mean,

What happened to the proposal?

[wisbech]

crankedup5 said:

You may think that the younger generation are more broad in their outlook, whatever that means. But the World is rapidly changing, the West is losing its trading and wealth superiority rapidly to the Asian pacific region alongside Mexico and other emerging economies.
You seem to be saying that you want things to go back to pre brexit, living in the past will not cut it.
If you are fortunate you may grow older and hold different views to those behind you.

So what that Asia Pacific is growing richer? I for one am happy that fewer Indians, Indonesians, Chinese are living in poverty. Does it really impact you that Switzerland is rich for example, or that Japan is? Trade is not a zero sum game.

[JagLover]

bad company said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Reform will receive a large number of votes from disaffected Tories and some Labour supporters in the 'red wall'. They won't win any seats, or if they do, you'll have change from the digits on one hand.

They are a protest vote party. They cannot deliver on their manifesto. They can't fiscally afford it. But that doesn't matter, they will be insignificant in a couple of years time.

I agree apart from the final sentence. Not so sure they’ll be insignificant. I reckon they’ve got a decent chance of becoming a major political force.

Who knows what the future will bring.

I can predict with a fair amount of confidence that the Tories will not be trusted for years to come, and likely reviled and despised by many.

The same old issues will likely remain, regardless of tie colour, mass migration and no plan to build the housing and infrastructure needed, and likely not the resources either. Net zero, with its massive costs that the politicians still aren't brave enough to tell the public about. Slow productivity growth and all that means for standards of living and funds available for state spending.

I think though if Reform were to break out above the 20% level they will need more credible leaders.

[Dagnir]

oyster said:

It’s morally wrong to steal. It’s not morally wrong to migrate.

Are you suggesting we remove laws relating to immigration so it’s perfectly legal to come and go as one pleases?

It's morally wrong to break into a country to bypass being processed properly because you know you don't have a valid reason for entry.


People pretty much can come and go as they please...migration was over 1.1m last year.

[Mrr T]

Dagnir said:

oyster said:

It’s morally wrong to steal. It’s not morally wrong to migrate.

Are you suggesting we remove laws relating to immigration so it’s perfectly legal to come and go as one pleases?

It's morally wrong to break into a country to bypass being processed properly because you know you don't have a valid reason for entry.


People pretty much can come and go as they please...migration was over 1.1m last year.

The UK has agreed its neither morally wrong or illegal to enter and claim asylum if you are entitled to it.

[Dave200]

crankedup5 said:

Dave200 said:

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

Reform U.K. will build a base from 2024 ready for 2029-30.

Support for Reform has doubled to 12% in the last year. Their support in 2029 based on this trend will be 192% of the electorate.

Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!

The hilarity of thinking that a party whose entire existence is aimed at tapping into angry old white voters could somehow suddenly move beyond this base.

It might surprise you to learn that the group of people to which you describe as ‘angry old white voters’ will possibly be the same voters who achieved brexit. Arrogance it seems is still predominant amongst some people.

Congratulations. I'm pleased you feel able to celebrate achieving something that many people who voted for now regret. I'm pleased you feel able to celebrate achieving something that was based on fear and lies and funded by outside interests. Hardly a surprise that you're championing such a divisive party if this is the kind of thing you celebrate.