Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
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chrispmartha said:
So as I suspected he's not read the article properly
That's quite something. Three staunchly anti-immigration posters harpooned by their own complete and total lack of knowledge on the subject in as many pages. It's almost like these people have been whipped up into an uninformed frenzy by right-wing agitants.CraigyMc said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
Noted the complete lack of debate arising from the fact s regarding lack of infrastructure, including housing. You are large on stats and politicking, not so much in acknowledging or even making any attempts to offer resolutions.
You must have missed the massive influx of refugees I mentioned, 650,000 + in one year.
Small boat arrivals are a major political issue, it’s why Government has put in so much political capital into addressing the issue, without success. It’s why Starmer has already announced his ‘plans’ to ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’, political bullst of course.
650,000 refugees in one year?You must have missed the massive influx of refugees I mentioned, 650,000 + in one year.
Small boat arrivals are a major political issue, it’s why Government has put in so much political capital into addressing the issue, without success. It’s why Starmer has already announced his ‘plans’ to ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’, political bullst of course.
Got the link?
Dave200 said:
Baroque attacks said:
Dave200 said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Dagnir said:
Nope, I just dont accept the framing....I class 99% of them as economic migrants because that's what they are. They are here for a better life because that's what they've heard you can get once you're in the UK.
I'm not dense enough to allow legal obfuscation and word games detract from facts.
We're not next to a warzone and no one is being persecuted by the French....as far as I'm concerned asylum seekers and any other immigrants all have the same right to live here....none whatsoever.
If we choose to help some people in genuine need, then absolutely great but we are being taken advantage of on a HUGE scale.
I really hate to disappoint you, not. I am an immigrant and have the right to live here. Your xenophobia and bigotry seems to be blinding you to the law. I'm not dense enough to allow legal obfuscation and word games detract from facts.
We're not next to a warzone and no one is being persecuted by the French....as far as I'm concerned asylum seekers and any other immigrants all have the same right to live here....none whatsoever.
If we choose to help some people in genuine need, then absolutely great but we are being taken advantage of on a HUGE scale.
Are you really suggesting that legal immigrants have no right to be here? Would you be happy if that was reciprocated across the world? How do you think that would pan out?
Your post is offensive.
chrispmartha said:
CraigyMc said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
Noted the complete lack of debate arising from the fact s regarding lack of infrastructure, including housing. You are large on stats and politicking, not so much in acknowledging or even making any attempts to offer resolutions.
You must have missed the massive influx of refugees I mentioned, 650,000 + in one year.
Small boat arrivals are a major political issue, it’s why Government has put in so much political capital into addressing the issue, without success. It’s why Starmer has already announced his ‘plans’ to ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’, political bullst of course.
650,000 refugees in one year?You must have missed the massive influx of refugees I mentioned, 650,000 + in one year.
Small boat arrivals are a major political issue, it’s why Government has put in so much political capital into addressing the issue, without success. It’s why Starmer has already announced his ‘plans’ to ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’, political bullst of course.
Got the link?
crankedup5 said:
Dave200 said:
Baroque attacks said:
Dave200 said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Dagnir said:
Nope, I just dont accept the framing....I class 99% of them as economic migrants because that's what they are. They are here for a better life because that's what they've heard you can get once you're in the UK.
I'm not dense enough to allow legal obfuscation and word games detract from facts.
We're not next to a warzone and no one is being persecuted by the French....as far as I'm concerned asylum seekers and any other immigrants all have the same right to live here....none whatsoever.
If we choose to help some people in genuine need, then absolutely great but we are being taken advantage of on a HUGE scale.
I really hate to disappoint you, not. I am an immigrant and have the right to live here. Your xenophobia and bigotry seems to be blinding you to the law. I'm not dense enough to allow legal obfuscation and word games detract from facts.
We're not next to a warzone and no one is being persecuted by the French....as far as I'm concerned asylum seekers and any other immigrants all have the same right to live here....none whatsoever.
If we choose to help some people in genuine need, then absolutely great but we are being taken advantage of on a HUGE scale.
Are you really suggesting that legal immigrants have no right to be here? Would you be happy if that was reciprocated across the world? How do you think that would pan out?
Your post is offensive.
chrispmartha said:
CraigyMc said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
Noted the complete lack of debate arising from the fact s regarding lack of infrastructure, including housing. You are large on stats and politicking, not so much in acknowledging or even making any attempts to offer resolutions.
You must have missed the massive influx of refugees I mentioned, 650,000 + in one year.
Small boat arrivals are a major political issue, it’s why Government has put in so much political capital into addressing the issue, without success. It’s why Starmer has already announced his ‘plans’ to ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’, political bullst of course.
650,000 refugees in one year?You must have missed the massive influx of refugees I mentioned, 650,000 + in one year.
Small boat arrivals are a major political issue, it’s why Government has put in so much political capital into addressing the issue, without success. It’s why Starmer has already announced his ‘plans’ to ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’, political bullst of course.
Got the link?
crankedup5 said:
chrispmartha said:
CraigyMc said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
Noted the complete lack of debate arising from the fact s regarding lack of infrastructure, including housing. You are large on stats and politicking, not so much in acknowledging or even making any attempts to offer resolutions.
You must have missed the massive influx of refugees I mentioned, 650,000 + in one year.
Small boat arrivals are a major political issue, it’s why Government has put in so much political capital into addressing the issue, without success. It’s why Starmer has already announced his ‘plans’ to ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’, political bullst of course.
650,000 refugees in one year?You must have missed the massive influx of refugees I mentioned, 650,000 + in one year.
Small boat arrivals are a major political issue, it’s why Government has put in so much political capital into addressing the issue, without success. It’s why Starmer has already announced his ‘plans’ to ‘smash the people trafficking gangs’, political bullst of course.
Got the link?
Dave200 said:
I'm personally incensed by these people coming in and contributing to our economy. I don't know about you.
How dare they. Livid, gammon, purple in the face. How dare they come here and work when we've loads of people not working.My ruddy jowls are vibrating at the very thought of it.
I don't have ruddy jowls.
Immigration numbers are heavily skewed by how they're measured and I've no problem with students coming here. I've no problem with anyone coming here. But the student numbers allow all sorts of statistical manipulation.
Indigenous is the words of a racist, I'll never be convinced otherwise.
Dave200 said:
That's only the same thing if you're desperate to defend the indefensible. We're talking about asylum seekers here, and the costs of housing them, as that's a key tenet of the Reform/Reclaim/UKIP manifesto. The article you've linked contains a complaint about "Eastern Europeans moving here" which at the time would have been completely legal under EU law, and absolutely in no way whatsoever related to asylum seekers. But you knew that, and were desperate to use the word "gaslighting".
Someone complaining about immigration 14 years ago being called a bigot but this is not the right sort of immigration to be complaining about and therefore isn't the same in your head? if you can't see parallels then I suspect you are as willfully blind as a post office boss.
valiant said:
swisstoni said:
valiant said:
swisstoni said:
Why should they claim asylum in UK?
Why shouldn't they?IMHO UK should always take in a share of valid asylum seekers as a fully fledged top 10 world economy.
This could be in agreement with other European countries where they make landfall.
But should not take in anyone who chooses to come from the safety of France because they fancy UK more. They have immediately declared themselves economic migrants imho.
I think Starmer will sign up to some kind of agreement after the GE. But I also imagine that he will be royally stiched up in the process. Meaning that UK’s quota will not take into account the current population density compared to the likes of France, Germany and Spain and that we will contribute to EU coffers for the privilege
On the upside, at least this influx can be planned for.
And any who want to continue to pitch up here in boats can be returned to the EU ‘pot’.
You will get that included in the final deal won’t you Keir?
Otherwise we will be taking the quota and the crew who can’t or won’t qualify for genuine asylum processing.
Dave200 said:
crankedup5 said:
Dave200 said:
Baroque attacks said:
Dave200 said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Dagnir said:
Nope, I just dont accept the framing....I class 99% of them as economic migrants because that's what they are. They are here for a better life because that's what they've heard you can get once you're in the UK.
I'm not dense enough to allow legal obfuscation and word games detract from facts.
We're not next to a warzone and no one is being persecuted by the French....as far as I'm concerned asylum seekers and any other immigrants all have the same right to live here....none whatsoever.
If we choose to help some people in genuine need, then absolutely great but we are being taken advantage of on a HUGE scale.
I really hate to disappoint you, not. I am an immigrant and have the right to live here. Your xenophobia and bigotry seems to be blinding you to the law. I'm not dense enough to allow legal obfuscation and word games detract from facts.
We're not next to a warzone and no one is being persecuted by the French....as far as I'm concerned asylum seekers and any other immigrants all have the same right to live here....none whatsoever.
If we choose to help some people in genuine need, then absolutely great but we are being taken advantage of on a HUGE scale.
Are you really suggesting that legal immigrants have no right to be here? Would you be happy if that was reciprocated across the world? How do you think that would pan out?
Your post is offensive.
swisstoni said:
valiant said:
swisstoni said:
valiant said:
swisstoni said:
Why should they claim asylum in UK?
Why shouldn't they?IMHO UK should always take in a share of valid asylum seekers as a fully fledged top 10 world economy.
This could be in agreement with other European countries where they make landfall.
But should not take in anyone who chooses to come from the safety of France because they fancy UK more. They have immediately declared themselves economic migrants imho.
I think Starmer will sign up to some kind of agreement after the GE. But I also imagine that he will be royally stiched up in the process. Meaning that UK’s quota will not take into account the current population density compared to the likes of France, Germany and Spain and that we will contribute to EU coffers for the privilege
On the upside, at least this influx can be planned for.
And any who want to continue to pitch up here in boats can be returned to the EU ‘pot’.
You will get that included in the final deal won’t you Keir?
Otherwise we will be taking the quota and the crew who can’t or won’t qualify for genuine asylum processing.
And Om still waiting for the ‘oh so offended’ to answer the questions regarding our inadequate infrastructure and how it can possibly be sustainable to allow such high levels of migration.
BTW migration watch is full of interesting, and in some instances, disturbing facts and figures.
Edited by crankedup5 on Thursday 25th April 16:44
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup5 said:
Except I have of course made an acknowledgement on facts, well if we can call The Guardian reports as facts.
No you haven’t, your claim was totally factually incorrect.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff