Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
cheesejunkie said:
smn159 said:
This plus the members are all bats
t crazy and lap this stuff up.
I suspect that the most rabid of them live in a bubble of continual reinforcement and genuinely think that this is what the country wants more of.
The party membership is what it is. They're not all rabid but taken as an average they're not representative of the population.t crazy and lap this stuff up.I suspect that the most rabid of them live in a bubble of continual reinforcement and genuinely think that this is what the country wants more of.
These days to be a fully signed up member to any party you have to be a bit of a loon/zealot and are unlikely to be representative of the huge amount of people who aren't. It's up to party management to deal with that. Labour failed with Corbyn's support, Tories failed with Truss's support. It's an all party problem.
I don't think they're all bats
t crazy but they do live in a bubble of positive feedback on their opinions. Meanwhile everyone else thinks they're nuts because their bubble disagrees. So you get ridiculous polarisation. But the tories are a busted flush, reform aren't offering an alternative and labour are going to win the next election, ideally not in hock to the more mad ideas of their membership.You only have to look at a bit of twitter to see the echo chambers on all sides, where they are all utterly convinced they are right and everyone agrees with them.
President Merkin said:
I posted links to credible academic sources. You posted:
For an ignorant, arrogant self important person like you, this is normal.
Face it PPP, you just don't have the chops to play nice with the grown ups, it's all flying off the handle. Have you ever thought about taking the dog for a walk? Yoga? Green tea? The little book of calm?
Oh sorry I forgot, in your mind it is OK for you to denigrate, and criticize other posters, because they don't have the same view as you, but somehow, it is not OK, if they do the same back to you. Pan Pan Pan said:
For an ignorant, arrogant self important person like you, this is normal.
Face it PPP, you just don't have the chops to play nice with the grown ups, it's all flying off the handle. Have you ever thought about taking the dog for a walk? Yoga? Green tea? The little book of calm?
If you had any sense at all, you would have noticed, that no matter what the subject, No matter who is posting on it, and no matter what their view of the subject matter is, there will ALWAYS be those who don't agree with you. Your problem is that when this happens, you want to attack the messenger, when you are unable to attack the message.
captain_cynic said:
Oilchange said:
The fact you lot don't understand what Carl is saying is telling.
I'm pretty sure Carl doesn't even know what he's saying. tangerine_sedge said:
captain_cynic said:
Oilchange said:
The fact you lot don't understand what Carl is saying is telling.
I'm pretty sure Carl doesn't even know what he's saying. MC Bodge said:
Could somebody translate this please?
Just to help clarify, I was responding to Amy's response that British Nationalism is and has always been around. Yes, British Nationalism comes and goes like a dose of flu but after the spike in the very early 1980s, British Nationalism was pretty much eliminated to a small number of fringe groups due to years of centrist policies being adopted by whomever was in charge of the U.K.
Fringe Nationalist interest groups like Combat 18, National Front, Stormfront, the lads that murdered Stephen Lawrence those types of people.
The adoption of DEI, Trans-activism, Net Zero, Welfare State dependency, ULEZ, Open Borders, Lack of law & order as 'centre ground' by some areas of the political social media sphere has alienated those that consider themselves not Nationalists but socially conservative. People from Kidderminster, Stoke, Blackpool, Middlesbrough, Clacton, Orpington places like that.
The outcome is that the dots are now (unfortunately) joining between these groups into a larger voting block of loosely aligned people and what you have with Reform, is a symptom of what's going wrong with British politics.
dai1983 said:
Baroque attacks said:
Are we agreed that Crankie and PPP are the same, circumventing a presumed ban?
Worked it out years ago S600BSB said:
dai1983 said:
Baroque attacks said:
Are we agreed that Crankie and PPP are the same, circumventing a presumed ban?
Worked it out years ago It may just be that he's got better things to do than argue on the internet.
Carl_VivaEspana said:
Just to help clarify, I was responding to Amy's response that British Nationalism is and has always been around.
Yes, British Nationalism comes and goes like a dose of flu but after the spike in the very early 1980s, British Nationalism was pretty much eliminated to a small number of fringe groups due to years of centrist policies being adopted by whomever was in charge of the U.K.
Fringe Nationalist interest groups like Combat 18, National Front, Stormfront, the lads that murdered Stephen Lawrence those types of people.
The adoption of DEI, Trans-activism, Net Zero, Welfare State dependency, ULEZ, Open Borders, Lack of law & order as 'centre ground' by some areas of the political social media sphere has alienated those that consider themselves not Nationalists but socially conservative. People from Kidderminster, Stoke, Blackpool, Middlesbrough, Clacton, Orpington places like that.
The outcome is that the dots are now (unfortunately) joining between these groups into a larger voting block of loosely aligned people and what you have with Reform, is a symptom of what's going wrong with British politics.
I can see how someone who lives abroad and reads right wing opinion sites could come to that conclusionYes, British Nationalism comes and goes like a dose of flu but after the spike in the very early 1980s, British Nationalism was pretty much eliminated to a small number of fringe groups due to years of centrist policies being adopted by whomever was in charge of the U.K.
Fringe Nationalist interest groups like Combat 18, National Front, Stormfront, the lads that murdered Stephen Lawrence those types of people.
The adoption of DEI, Trans-activism, Net Zero, Welfare State dependency, ULEZ, Open Borders, Lack of law & order as 'centre ground' by some areas of the political social media sphere has alienated those that consider themselves not Nationalists but socially conservative. People from Kidderminster, Stoke, Blackpool, Middlesbrough, Clacton, Orpington places like that.
The outcome is that the dots are now (unfortunately) joining between these groups into a larger voting block of loosely aligned people and what you have with Reform, is a symptom of what's going wrong with British politics.
Rufus Stone said:
S600BSB said:
I’m actually getting a bit concerned about Crank. Not been heard of for a while and has previously stated that he has some health issues. Go easy.
He's likely on a ban. I quoted a post of his that PH towers deemed offensive and it was removed.smn159 said:
Carl_VivaEspana said:
Just to help clarify, I was responding to Amy's response that British Nationalism is and has always been around.
Yes, British Nationalism comes and goes like a dose of flu but after the spike in the very early 1980s, British Nationalism was pretty much eliminated to a small number of fringe groups due to years of centrist policies being adopted by whomever was in charge of the U.K.
Fringe Nationalist interest groups like Combat 18, National Front, Stormfront, the lads that murdered Stephen Lawrence those types of people.
The adoption of DEI, Trans-activism, Net Zero, Welfare State dependency, ULEZ, Open Borders, Lack of law & order as 'centre ground' by some areas of the political social media sphere has alienated those that consider themselves not Nationalists but socially conservative. People from Kidderminster, Stoke, Blackpool, Middlesbrough, Clacton, Orpington places like that.
The outcome is that the dots are now (unfortunately) joining between these groups into a larger voting block of loosely aligned people and what you have with Reform, is a symptom of what's going wrong with British politics.
I can see how someone who lives abroad and reads right wing opinion sites could come to that conclusionYes, British Nationalism comes and goes like a dose of flu but after the spike in the very early 1980s, British Nationalism was pretty much eliminated to a small number of fringe groups due to years of centrist policies being adopted by whomever was in charge of the U.K.
Fringe Nationalist interest groups like Combat 18, National Front, Stormfront, the lads that murdered Stephen Lawrence those types of people.
The adoption of DEI, Trans-activism, Net Zero, Welfare State dependency, ULEZ, Open Borders, Lack of law & order as 'centre ground' by some areas of the political social media sphere has alienated those that consider themselves not Nationalists but socially conservative. People from Kidderminster, Stoke, Blackpool, Middlesbrough, Clacton, Orpington places like that.
The outcome is that the dots are now (unfortunately) joining between these groups into a larger voting block of loosely aligned people and what you have with Reform, is a symptom of what's going wrong with British politics.
The ironic thing, is that those people are usually left behind by Conservative governments, but feel drawn to right wing authoritarianism. I guess it allows them to be the ones punching down, rather than be on the perceived receiving end.
CraigyMc said:
S600BSB said:
dai1983 said:
Baroque attacks said:
Are we agreed that Crankie and PPP are the same, circumventing a presumed ban?
Worked it out years ago It may just be that he's got better things to do than argue on the internet.
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