Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

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alangla said:

Her statement to parliament is here: https://www.copfs.gov.uk/about-copfs/news/lord-adv...

This case today seems to illustrate what Scottish SPMs are facing. You’ll note the parallels between this case and the issues that the public inquiry is having.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/judge-surprised-a...

The Post Office are scum. All we have seen over recent months and they are still hiding documents.

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"Former top in-house lawyer Chris Aujard said that in 2013 the executive committee “were in favour of ceasing prosecutions entirely”, but Ms Vennells said “limited” prosecutions should continue."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/articles/cm541z38dz9o

[hidetheelephants]

I think you've drifted threads, this is for slagging off the scottish govt.

[Evercross]

alangla said:

Her statement to parliament is here: https://www.copfs.gov.uk/about-copfs/news/lord-adv...

...and here's Bain's killer lines...

Sturgeon's insurance policy said:

It will be noted that, of those written to, only a small portion of people have come forward to identify themselves as possibly affected. This may be indicative of the fact that not every case in which Horizon evidence is present will represent a miscarriage of justice. It is important to recognise that in Scotland, there is an established route of appeal in circumstances such as this. That route involves the SCCRC considering cases in the first instance prior to referring appropriate cases to the Court of Appeal. This is an important process because not every case involving Horizon evidence will be a miscarriage of justice and each case must be considered carefully and with regard to the law. It is also important to recognise the important and established constitutional role of our Appeal Court in Scotland and that due process must be followed.

Bain rules out both a blanket pardon and any attempt to bypass appeals and frustrate Scots Law's due process. Humza was talking out his arse when he pointed the finger at Westminster.

He's actually a bit of a for doing so, and the media should be tearing him a new one right now for his blatant bullstting.

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Evercross said:

alangla said:

Her statement to parliament is here: https://www.copfs.gov.uk/about-copfs/news/lord-adv...

...and here's Bain's killer lines...

Sturgeon's insurance policy said:

It will be noted that, of those written to, only a small portion of people have come forward to identify themselves as possibly affected. This may be indicative of the fact that not every case in which Horizon evidence is present will represent a miscarriage of justice. It is important to recognise that in Scotland, there is an established route of appeal in circumstances such as this. That route involves the SCCRC considering cases in the first instance prior to referring appropriate cases to the Court of Appeal. This is an important process because not every case involving Horizon evidence will be a miscarriage of justice and each case must be considered carefully and with regard to the law. It is also important to recognise the important and established constitutional role of our Appeal Court in Scotland and that due process must be followed.

Bain rules out both a blanket pardon and any attempt to bypass appeals and frustrate Scots Law's due process. Humza was talking out his arse when he pointed the finger at Westminster.

He's actually a bit of a for doing so, and the media should be tearing him a new one right now for his blatant bullstting.

Imagine being wrongly convicted of a crime and then being asked to go back to court rather than being pardoned. I did wonder why so few of them took up the offer but thinking about it you would have zero confidence that the court would aquit you a second time

[hidetheelephants]

Rightly or wrongly the govt will be pelted with virtual rotten fruit if scottish SPMs have to appeal individually instead of a blanket overturning of any verdict where Horizon evidence was used to secure a conviction. I'm struggling to see what Bain is up to, scots law is different but its differences seem to have not helped SPMs at all.

[Evercross]

hidetheelephants said:

I'm struggling to see what Bain is up to, scots law is different but its differences seem to have not helped SPMs at all.

Me too also. As I said though, thanks to the rather unique lack of separation of powers in Scotland compared to rUK, if Bain so chose she could make a special case with just the stroke of a pen.

It is all very weird. Was Humza genuinely ignorant when he was blaming Westminster for this or was he trying to deflect from the fact that Scots Law is a bit fked up with regards to the issue?

I suspect the former as Humza is not exactly a great intellect and scholar when it comes to matters of law (or health, or the environment, or international relations, or marital fidelity).

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 24th April 21:42

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Evercross said:

I suspect the former as Humza is not exactly a great intellect and scholar when it comes to matters of law

Though quick to use the law to threaten business owners who don't want his custom.

[alangla]

Torygraph reporting that around 1000 higher rate taxpayers have left Scotland for rUK, costing the Scottish Government around £61m in lost revenue https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/24/mo...
Other research suggests more people moved from rUK to Scotland, but no comment on their tax contributions

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alangla said:

Other research suggests more people moved from rUK to Scotland, but no comment on their tax contributions

I appreciate he is no longer here to defend himself, but IIRC Zedleg cited one of the reasons he didn't consider relocating to Brighton for his job (preferring to work from home/commute) was that despite the tax saving for himself it was very likely that his partner would lose a significant sum in benefits as they would most likely be (honestly and rigorously) re-assessed (despite Brighton being probably the most left-wing leaning part of England).

His inference of course being that the parallel Scottish benefits system that the SNP have established is rather lax and not too investigative of less-than-honest claims.

I could see how that might be an attraction for a certain demographic.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 24th April 22:24

[CoolHands]

So they lose high earners who would pay tax, but keep anyone on benefits who don’t honestly need to remain on benefits. Winner winner

[Silverbullet767]

Something big happening today, apparently.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/an-uncommon-occurren...

[Evercross]

Silverbullet767 said:

Something big happening today, apparently.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/an-uncommon-occurren...

Is there any point in speculating what it might be with so many possibilities? Whatever it is though Humza will make an arse of it.

[Jasey_]

Maybe it's to discuss Scotland topping the latest WHO poll on smackheads.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0w5le6j7zo#:...

Good to know Scotland is still best at some things.

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Jasey_ said:

Maybe it's to discuss Scotland topping the latest WHO poll on smackheads.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0w5le6j7zo#:...

Good to know Scotland is still best at some things.

I'm putting this one squarely at the feet of MUP. All it has done is turn alcohol consumption into an elitist activity only for the relatively wealthy and made cheaper alternatives more attractive to the buzz seekers.

Only a bunch of fking idiots could not have predicted a rise in the use of cheaper weed and cocaine. ScotGov effectively has opened up the market to them.

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Evercross said:

Jasey_ said:

Maybe it's to discuss Scotland topping the latest WHO poll on smackheads.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0w5le6j7zo#:...

Good to know Scotland is still best at some things.

I'm putting this one squarely at the feet of MUP. All it has done is turn alcohol consumption into an elitist activity only for the relatively wealthy and made cheaper alternatives more attractive to the buzz seekers.

Only a bunch of fking idiots could not have predicted a rise in the use of cheaper weed and cocaine. ScotGov effectively has opened up the market to them.

Well the next idea to get rid of those stats and to gain favour with those voters will be to legalise it all..... And obviously to create a fight with evil Westminster over it again.....

[is-uk]

One of the TV news channels was reporting this morning that the emergency cabinet meeting is to do with the coalition with the greens. Other online outlets are also running with that.

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,humza-yousaf-to...

[Drawweight]

I reckon the SNP are going to upstage the Greens and break off the power sharing agreement.

It can’t really be anything else can it?

[Taffer]

Drawweight said:

I reckon the SNP are going to upstage the Greens and break off the power sharing agreement.

It can’t really be anything else can it?

Slater and Harvie seen flouncing out of Bute House at 0830. looks like Harvie will be resigning then - such a shame (it's far too early in the day to have a dram ).

[ScotHill]

alangla said:

Other research suggests more people moved from rUK to Scotland, but no comment on their tax contributions

Based on overheard anecdotal whinging in Glasgow, a lot of those will be higher rate taxpayers moving up from the south east.