Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[sherman]

Seat count last time Swinney was in charge

[Evercross]

Rick_1138 said:

For a bit of balance a quick screen grab of comments under humzas tata speech.

"Hope Forbes and Regan won't be in the running".



Muppet!

ETA. I see Rev Stu has (eventually) come to the same conclusion I did within seconds of Humza saying he was staying on rather than stepping aside for an interim leader.

I am seriously starting to think we are being watched.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 29th April 14:02

[Evercross]

So, "Tyremarks" Swinney is thinking of putting his hat in the ring.

Funny yet depressing. Won't this be his third shot as leader if he got it?

Having said that, he absolutely fits my description of an 'interim' leader.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 29th April 14:17

[Vanden Saab]

Evercross said:

"Hope Forbes and Regan won't be in the running".



Muppet!

ETA. I see Rev Stu has (eventually) come to the same conclusion I did within seconds of Humza saying he was staying on rather than stepping aside for an interim leader.

I am seriously starting to think we are being watched.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 29th April 14:02

The tories decision to go after useless rather than the SNP party is looking more politically astute by the minute.

[Roderick Spode]

tim0409 said:

I was part of a Labour/Tory coalition for five years at council level, and we drew up an agreement at the start of the term that incorporated some of our policies (and most of theirs!); our group had three councillors and Labour had nine and the agreement reflected that. I always thought that we could have achieved much more if we had stayed out of a formal agreement and taken each policy/budget on its own merit.

Fife Council has been running on a similar basis since 2022 - the SNP are marginally the largest party with 34 councillors of 75, but an unofficial coalition of Labour, Lib Dems and Conservatives saw the installation of a Labour Leader, and made the local nationalists very angry indeed. Much squealing about democracy and "Labour giein they Toooaarreee bastirts power, we'll nae forget..." It's been delightful to enjoy their continued vitriol on every Council social media post, the very definition of 'man shouts at clouds'. The resulting governance has been notably improved, but now of course every single local issue has gone from "what do ye expect with Westminster stealing oooor money" to "aw the Toarees fault". It's hilarious.

[Rick_1138]

Evercross said:

So, "Tyremarks" Swinney is thinking of putting his hat in the ring.

Funny yet depressing. Won't this be his third shot as leader if he got it?

Having said that, he absolutely fits my description of an 'interim' leader.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 29th April 14:17

A bit Martin Whitmarsh of the snp

[irc]

Good article.

https://www.notesonnationalism.com/p/what-not-to-d...

among the points made. Who arranges his photo ops????

"“So, this week your choice for Chief Executive of the SNP was charged with embezzlement so we’ve arranged a photo of you with an actor most famous for playing an anti-corruption police officer.”"





My wife points out the famous actor lending his support is another celebrity nat who loves Scotland so much they live somewhere else.

[tim0409]

Roderick Spode said:

Fife Council has been running on a similar basis since 2022 - the SNP are marginally the largest party with 34 councillors of 75, but an unofficial coalition of Labour, Lib Dems and Conservatives saw the installation of a Labour Leader, and made the local nationalists very angry indeed. Much squealing about democracy and "Labour giein they Toooaarreee bastirts power, we'll nae forget..." It's been delightful to enjoy their continued vitriol on every Council social media post, the very definition of 'man shouts at clouds'. The resulting governance has been notably improved, but now of course every single local issue has gone from "what do ye expect with Westminster stealing oooor money" to "aw the Toarees fault". It's hilarious.

Within minutes of the council election results in 2012 we had the SNP group leader in our office, almost in tears and begging us to form a coalition with them (they had previously been running the administration with the LibDems). When we decided to go in with Labour the SNP started attacking the Labour party for “getting into bed with the Tories”. Every time they started it in public meetings I would gently remind them of their hypocrisy. I actually got on with all the SNP councillors really well on a personal level; they were pretty decent but they all shared the same fanaticism towards independence (as you would expect). The public meetings used to be full of fury (“I’m not taking any lectures from a Tory”), but once the meeting was over we would sometimes meet for a coffee to discuss some local issue.

Edited by tim0409 on Monday 29th April 15:13

[irc]

Nice comment in The Herald.

"On the upside, it leaves him free to carry out his important peace keeping missions in the middle East, unshackled by domestic issues."

[Wills2]

irc said:

Nice comment in The Herald.

"On the upside, it leaves him free to carry out his important peace keeping missions in the middle East, unshackled by domestic issues."

[gruffalo]

Skyedriver said:

Why not scrap the Scottish Parliament and repurpose the building for the homeless, select a special wing to use for drug abuse rehab, Scotland having one of the highest drug related problems in Europe. Save us a hell of a lot of MSP wages.

I cannot fault this thinking, it would be the best thing for Scotland and the UK as a whole to scrap the politics of division experiment.

[gruffalo]

Rick_1138 said:

For a bit of balance a quick screen grab of comments under humzas tata speech.

These folk can vote too....and if it Gilruithb next... jings

I cannot believe that these people remember to breath!!!!

[hidetheelephants]

Skyedriver said:

Why not scrap the Scottish Parliament and repurpose the building for the homeless, select a special wing to use for drug abuse rehab, Scotland having one of the highest drug related problems in Europe. Save us a hell of a lot of MSP wages.

The chamber would make a good weed farm, between the sky lights, the leaks in the roof and the taxpayer-funded central heating it's pretty much a hydroponic unit.

tim0409 said:

Within minutes of the council election results in 2012 we had the SNP group leader in our office, almost in tears and begging us to form a coalition with them (they had previously been running the administration with the LibDems). When we decided to go in with Labour the SNP started attacking the Labour party for “getting into bed with the Tories”. Every time they started it in public meetings I would gently remind them of their hypocrisy. I actually got on with all the SNP councillors really well on a personal level; they were pretty decent but they all shared the same fanaticism towards independence (as you would expect). The public meetings used to be full of fury (“I’m not taking any lectures from a Tory”), but once the meeting was over we would sometimes meet for a coffee to discuss some local issue.

I don't understand the point; even if they have aspirations to become an MSP, it's generally only a stringer for the local rag and bored unemployed people watching a council meeting, who is the pantomime for? I've never had much time for party politics at local council level and at the moment a lot of people in my area agree as we have loads of independent councillors. They aren't fighting for independence, they're fighting potholes, blocked drains and faulty streetlights.

[ninepoint2]

gruffalo said:

Rick_1138 said:

For a bit of balance a quick screen grab of comments under humzas tata speech.

These folk can vote too....and if it Gilruithb next... jings

I cannot believe that these people remember to breath!!!!

Aye they live among us, very scary

[NRS]

reddiesel said:

Klippie said:

Hold your horse's...there's election's first, then we can all go for it...I can't wait for the Labour thread to kick off.

The Election of Starmer has all the hallmarks of pathos being followed by tragedy for Scotland . I genuinely hope I have this wrong but I honestly feel this Bloke is a turnip . Ultimately you can promise and say anything when you aren't in power and this Bloke already fiscally poor is going nowhere . This is the flaw of Democracy the world over , that reflex action come Election Time when the People are seduced by the Snake Oil Salesmen . I have lived and earned money in the South East since I was 16 and I have never seen thing so bleak . The taxation burden both direct and indirect is beginning to make working for yourself no longer pay and incredibly that's under a Conservative Government .

The demographics dictate it must happen. The pensions and healthcare of the boomer generation is going to continue growing for a while, and with less workers to pay for it then it’s going to mean even more tax. No party can avoid it, unless they just stick even more debt on future generations.

[Roderick Spode]

Interesting (if very limited) polling. It suggests to me that the Scottish Greens are not universally loved, when the preferred alternative is the Scottish Tories...



https://twitter.com/gracebrod1e/status/17849636395...

[Viper201]

gruffalo said:

Skyedriver said:

Why not scrap the Scottish Parliament and repurpose the building for the homeless, select a special wing to use for drug abuse rehab, Scotland having one of the highest drug related problems in Europe. Save us a hell of a lot of MSP wages.

I cannot fault this thinking, it would be the best thing for Scotland and the UK as a whole to scrap the politics of division experiment.

Absolutely.

[Evercross]

NRS said:

The demographics dictate it must happen. The pensions and healthcare of the boomer generation is going to continue growing for a while, and with less workers to pay for it then it’s going to mean even more tax. No party can avoid it, unless they just stick even more debt on future generations.

That's an argument for a completely different thread.

Suffice to say though that if the SNP Scottish government wasn't determined to import necessary natural resources rather than using the stuff already here and piss up the wall decades of wealth already earned then we might not be faced with the above scenario (or at least not so severe)

Blaming 'the boomers' for tax increases is the current on message st from the shills of the left to excuse more tax and spend. Next they'll be suggesting we should cull some of them to ease the burden.

Oh, wait....

Edited by Evercross on Monday 29th April 16:50

[halo34]

Viper201 said:

gruffalo said:

Skyedriver said:

Why not scrap the Scottish Parliament and repurpose the building for the homeless, select a special wing to use for drug abuse rehab, Scotland having one of the highest drug related problems in Europe. Save us a hell of a lot of MSP wages.

I cannot fault this thinking, it would be the best thing for Scotland and the UK as a whole to scrap the politics of division experiment.

Absolutely.

I would vote for this in a heartbeat alongside the massive savings from cropping the political employees down massively - plow that back into the economy and health.

[Evercross]

irc said:

Good article.

https://www.notesonnationalism.com/p/what-not-to-d...

Blair McDougall said:

As Humza Yousaf departs and John Swinney prepares to jump on a grenade to save a new leader from owning heavy general election losses....