Pontins in trouble for filtering traveller types

[vaud]

KAgantua said:

Agreed with Pontins

Sad this thread has become a pissing ground for the ususal clutch of 'Its abhorrent' Bots sorry posters

Nope. Filtering customers based on surname and/or accent is abhorrent.

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

Why do people respond to Pork911's posts? (In here or most other threads) he is not here for debate or discussion, he just wants to shout "racist" and be a troll at every opportunity (but actually just looks silly and kills off many a thread). Just ignore him and hopefully he will go away.

[105.4]

vaud said:

Nope. Filtering customers based on surname and/or accent is abhorrent.

I wonder if you’ll be of the same opinion if / when your business or livelihood is ever effected by such pleasant cultural enrichment?

[pork911]

J4CKO said:

Pontins must be used to agro, given its market segment it will have more than its share of folk who are a bit rough and ready, with behaviour to match, so must be bad to try and avoid people booking.

There is a chap who has been barred from my local, is it because of his heritage, no, is it because of his sexuality, no, is it because he is a nuisance when drunk ? Possibly, is it because he broke the pub door ? Probably, is it because he tried to assault the landlord ? Yep, I think thats it.

Its all about behaviour, you can be a and get away with it, especially if you move round, but eventually it catches up with you, it has a name, hmm, what is it again ?

I must have missed the bit here where specific individuals were barred due to their own behaviour.

[BikeBikeBIke]

vaud said:

Nope. Filtering customers based on surname and/or accent is abhorrent.

But seemingly necessary. I doubt they're doing it for a laugh.

Just like the business that close or partially close in these circumstances. They aren't doing it for fun.

[pork911]

Ridgemont said:

pork911 said:

redrabbit said:

pork911 said:

How does that relate to making the claimed ridiculous comparison mine?

Also the above claimed vile bds and utter scum are gypsies.

What was the purpose in your asking another poster for their views on blacks. gays. Jews and disabled people, if not to draw a comparison with their views on travellers?

The inference seems clear - that you expect someone who has a negative view of travellers to have similar views of other minority groups. which is preposterous, myopic reasoning.

Again - do you disagree that being a member of a traveller community is a lifestyle choice? Your answer to that question might shed light on our different attitudes towards these loveable rogues.

Why are you asking about travellers?

Let’s be sensible. Pontins did not discriminate against Irish people for giggles. It was specifically to deal with an issue they have had regarding the Irish travelling community.
They however got found out because of idiotic policies that were discriminatory.
However.
There is a long track history of the issues with the Irish travelling community which you must be aware of.

What's that got to do with calling gypsies vile bds and utter scum?

[BikeBikeBIke]

105.4 said:

I wonder if you’ll be of the same opinion if / when your business or livelihood is ever effected by such pleasant cultural enrichment?

This.

What the hell are they supposed to do? Presumably all their staff go sick because they don't want to get punched in the face, they have to refund all the other paying customers (see trip advisor).

If people think they can make money under those circumstances then set up a business and rake the money in. Clearly many businesses can't.

[J4CKO]

pork911 said:

J4CKO said:

Pontins must be used to agro, given its market segment it will have more than its share of folk who are a bit rough and ready, with behaviour to match, so must be bad to try and avoid people booking.

There is a chap who has been barred from my local, is it because of his heritage, no, is it because of his sexuality, no, is it because he is a nuisance when drunk ? Possibly, is it because he broke the pub door ? Probably, is it because he tried to assault the landlord ? Yep, I think thats it.

Its all about behaviour, you can be a and get away with it, especially if you move round, but eventually it catches up with you, it has a name, hmm, what is it again ?

I must have missed the bit here where specific individuals were barred due to their own behaviour.

Its the behaviour of a proportion of a particular group, that group becomes vilified, its really not hard.

Are you going to be welcoming them to your business, or if you have a bit of land, you going to allow them to park up for a few weeks ?

[vaud]

105.4 said:

I wonder if you’ll be of the same opinion if / when your business or livelihood is ever effected by such pleasant cultural enrichment?

How do you know that it hasn't been? (It has, at least the village I live in and the nearby town)

But like other legislation that applies costs and requirements on business (e.g. accessibility) it is the law.

Playing devils advocate, how would you feel if you had one of the surnames mentioned and couldn't get a holiday booking, purely because of your surname? Or I choose to bar you from my services because you have a Newcastle accent and I had problems with people from Newcastle?

The issue for Pontins is the legislation.

[Cotty]

vaud said:

Nope. Filtering customers based on surname and/or accent is abhorrent.

I wonder if Pontins weigh up the fine against the cost to repair any damage. A bit like when a developer chops down protected tree(s) and just pays the fine rather than have the additional cost to work around the problem.

Also what about when shops and pubs close their doors when travelers arrive, is that also abhorrent.

[vaud]

Cotty said:

Also what about when shops and pubs close their doors when travelers arrive, is that also abhorrent.

Yes.

[vaud]

As I get challenged by multiple posters.

I am not "pro traveller" or "anti traveller" (we have been disrupted by some bad ones, and on the other hand there is a very nice group on the edge of the local town who cause no issues, kids go to school, none are banned from pubs, etc.. not very nomadic but no issues)

I do not have a solution.

I am advocating that the law is the law. Have an issue? Campaign for a change in the law.

[Cotty]

vaud said:

Cotty said:

Also what about when shops and pubs close their doors when travelers arrive, is that also abhorrent.

Yes.

But no one can do anything about it, can they.

[vaud]

Cotty said:

But no one can do anything about it, can they.

Correct.

[Cotty]

vaud said:

Correct.

Maybe Pontins should have just told them they are closed.

[pork911]

J4CKO said:

pork911 said:

J4CKO said:

Pontins must be used to agro, given its market segment it will have more than its share of folk who are a bit rough and ready, with behaviour to match, so must be bad to try and avoid people booking.

There is a chap who has been barred from my local, is it because of his heritage, no, is it because of his sexuality, no, is it because he is a nuisance when drunk ? Possibly, is it because he broke the pub door ? Probably, is it because he tried to assault the landlord ? Yep, I think thats it.

Its all about behaviour, you can be a and get away with it, especially if you move round, but eventually it catches up with you, it has a name, hmm, what is it again ?

I must have missed the bit here where specific individuals were barred due to their own behaviour.

Its the behaviour of a proportion of a particular group, that group becomes vilified, its really not hard.

Are you going to be welcoming them to your business, or if you have a bit of land, you going to allow them to park up for a few weeks ?

Yet your insight centred on an individual.


I am not in the business of welcoming anyone to my 'bit' of land.

In all my businesses I have complied with the law, it's the cost of entry.

Edited by pork911 on Saturday 17th February 11:18

[ChocolateFrog]

BikeBikeBIke said:

All the pubs in my area close when travellers are in town.

We had a traveller funeral a couple of months back. Virtually every pub in the Borough closed.

There was a lot of staff shortages that day.

[Southerner]

vaud said:

As I get challenged by multiple posters.

I am not "pro traveller" or "anti traveller" (we have been disrupted by some bad ones, and on the other hand there is a very nice group on the edge of the local town who cause no issues, kids go to school, none are banned from pubs, etc.. not very nomadic but no issues)

I do not have a solution.

I am advocating that the law is the law. Have an issue? Campaign for a change in the law.

Your naivety is touching. Meanwhile back in the real world…

Perhaps we could just have a police ‘service’ who are able and prepared to actually enforce the existing laws, as opposed to standing around acting as enablers to the blatant criminality that ensues; that might be a start. Not especially likely though is it?

Down in Hampshire a couple of years back there was some cultural expression taking place on a well used A road involving horse and trap racing. The police arrived and closed the road for them, awfully nice of them, keep those pesky law abiding tax paying decent citizens from getting in the way.

Tell us again how business should approach this issue?

Edited by Southerner on Saturday 17th February 11:25

[BikeBikeBIke]

vaud said:

I do not have a solution.

So maybe lighten up on the people who, with no good option, are forced to choose the least worst.

[bristolbaron]

105.4 said:

vaud said:

Nope. Filtering customers based on surname and/or accent is abhorrent.

I wonder if you’ll be of the same opinion if / when your business or livelihood is ever effected by such pleasant cultural enrichment?

Surely you can see a ban on surnames isn’t an appropriate measure to prevent particular families they don’t want on site? Some of the names being particularly generic: Boyle, Carr, McGuiness, Stokes, Ward… all the names of celebrities and sportspeople who would face rejection should they choose to slum it in Pontins for the weekend.

Whatever your views of travellers are, Pontins have clearly got this wrong.