2 yo falls in river

[Zoon]

W12GT said:

You cannot supervise them every second of every day.

But you can supervise them in very dangerous situations i.e. when next to flowing water with no safety barriers.

[President Merkin]

okgo said:

The obvious point being made is that you can not have that lapse of judgement next to something like a fast flowing river. Same as you wouldn’t on the edge of a cliff, there’s no second chance there and certainly no third party like a car who could save your mistake by stopping/swerving.

But people are thick, so they’ll fk with nature until it bites them -

https://x.com/whitbyphotos/status/1719468676561117...

By starting with 'The obvious point...' you imply only you understand the obvious point. The arrogance is really something to behold but it's you, so nothing I haven't seen many times before.

I suspect you don't have children, maybe I'm wrong but it is observable in this thread that parents' experience differs wildly from the perfect, error free life you're telling us we should be living, it is simply not credible to think it's possible to protect either yourself or your children from every harmful eventuality, whether obvious or not.

Tenner says you'll argue the st out of it but if I'm wrong, then why do people die in preventable accidents? Every single day.

[Muzzer79]

President Merkin said:

, it is simply not credible to think it's possible to protect either yourself or your children from every harmful eventuality, whether obvious or not.
.

This

There’s some major 20/20 hindsight in play on this thread.

[okgo]

President Merkin said:

By starting with 'The obvious point...' you imply only you understand the obvious point. The arrogance is really something to behold but it's you, so nothing I haven't seen many times before.

I suspect you don't have children, maybe I'm wrong but it is observable in this thread that parents' experience differs wildly from the perfect, error free life you're telling us we should be living, it is simply not credible to think it's possible to protect either yourself or your children from every harmful eventuality, whether obvious or not.

Tenner says you'll argue the st out of it but if I'm wrong, then why do people die in preventable accidents? Every single day.

No, I think most sensible people understand that taking your young kid near to a flooded river at night is probably a bit fking stupid, do you not?

You suspect wrong. The comparison made between a kid falling off a bed, or off a scooter, or even maybe wandering into a road (given we're mostly near roads constantly and they are unavoidable when leaving the house) and walking your kids down a pier in a named storm as per that video, or being next to a fast flowing river as its getting dark, is quite a stretch as being remotely similar.

What adults do every day to kill themselves by accident is irrelevant, this is a 2 year old. They have no risk analysis capability, they have no sense of danger, that's your job as a parent IMO. Hence I shan't be seeking out some large trees to play under tomorrow given there are 50mph winds.

[ScotHill]

okgo said:

No, I think most sensible people understand that taking your young kid near to a flooded river at night is probably a bit fking stupid, do you not?

It wasn't night, it was 5pm, so not even dinner time yet.

[okgo]

ScotHill said:

It wasn't night, it was 5pm, so not even dinner time yet.

Sun was just about to set. Not sure what relevance dinner time has to anything.

[monthou]

okgo said:

No, I think most sensible people understand that taking your young kid near to a flooded river at night is probably a bit fking stupid, do you not?

Taking a young kid to see a flooded river from a footbridge 15 feet above it doesn't sound even mildly reckless. Whatever the time of day.
That doesn't mean nothing can go wrong.

[okgo]

monthou said:

Taking a young kid to see a flooded river from a footbridge 15 feet above it doesn't sound even mildly reckless. Whatever the time of day.
That doesn't mean nothing can go wrong.

Well then we'll just have to agree to disagree won't we. Because on my list of things to do, with 10 minutes of day light left, that's probably not what I'm doing.

[monthou]

okgo said:

monthou said:

Taking a young kid to see a flooded river from a footbridge 15 feet above it doesn't sound even mildly reckless. Whatever the time of day.
That doesn't mean nothing can go wrong.

Well then we'll just have to agree to disagree won't we. Because on my list of things to do, with 10 minutes of day light left, that's probably not what I'm doing.

It's not compulsory.
Neither is it fking stupid.

[WestyCarl]

No-one knows the detail except it's heartbreaking.

When I think back I can fully imagine this would be the sort of thing I did with my youngs kids (I did go and see floods on the river seven) along with wave jumping in the sea, tree climbing, kayaking on canals, walking along cliffs etc, etc

Although I thought I covered all risks while letting them explore I guess something unexpected could have happened (luckily it didn't) causing a bad outcome.

[President Merkin]

Ok there is blessed. Waltzing through life with no doubt, no uncertainty, judgment entirely unclouded by nuance or all the facts. What a lovely way to be. Things are either black or they're white.

[Muzzer79]

okgo said:

monthou said:

Taking a young kid to see a flooded river from a footbridge 15 feet above it doesn't sound even mildly reckless. Whatever the time of day.
That doesn't mean nothing can go wrong.

Well then we'll just have to agree to disagree won't we. Because on my list of things to do, with 10 minutes of day light left, that's probably not what I'm doing.

I wouldn’t do it because I wouldn’t find it interesting, not because I thought the child could would fall in the river.

[okgo]

monthou said:

It's not compulsory.
Neither is it fking stupid.

I think it’s fking stupid. So did OP, presumably so do others.

[monthou]

okgo said:

monthou said:

It's not compulsory.
Neither is it fking stupid.

I think it’s fking stupid. So did OP, presumably so do others.

So much for agreeing to disagree, eh.

I have the same opinion of you as I do of the OP.

edit: if you genuinely think walking along a footbridge 15 feet above a river is 'fking stupid' then you have completely lost the plot.
In your own words:

okgo said:

Which (the Packhorse Bridge) looks quite hard to have an issue with unless you pick up said child and put them on top of the wall.

QED

Edited by monthou on Tuesday 20th February 16:27

[okgo]

monthou said:

So much for agreeing to disagree, eh.

I have the same opinion of you as I do of the OP.

Prat.

[monthou]

okgo said:

monthou said:

So much for agreeing to disagree, eh.

I have the same opinion of you as I do of the OP.

Prat.

No, that's not it. You've used the phrase a few times yourself if it helps.

[monthou]

Assistant Chief Constable Michaela Kerr said:

The CCTV shows the little boy going into the water. We've got nothing to suggest anything other than that this is a tragic set of circumstances where a little boy is in the water and we need to find that little boy and return him to his family.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-...

[Baroque attacks]

Muzzer79 said:

This

There’s some major 20/20 hindsight in play on this thread.

Quite a few without children too.

[tighnamara]

okgo said:

President Merkin said:

By starting with 'The obvious point...' you imply only you understand the obvious point. The arrogance is really something to behold but it's you, so nothing I haven't seen many times before.

I suspect you don't have children, maybe I'm wrong but it is observable in this thread that parents' experience differs wildly from the perfect, error free life you're telling us we should be living, it is simply not credible to think it's possible to protect either yourself or your children from every harmful eventuality, whether obvious or not.

Tenner says you'll argue the st out of it but if I'm wrong, then why do people die in preventable accidents? Every single day.

No, I think most sensible people understand that taking your young kid near to a flooded river at night is probably a bit fking stupid, do you not?

You suspect wrong. The comparison made between a kid falling off a bed, or off a scooter, or even maybe wandering into a road (given we're mostly near roads constantly and they are unavoidable when leaving the house) and walking your kids down a pier in a named storm as per that video, or being next to a fast flowing river as its getting dark, is quite a stretch as being remotely similar.

What adults do every day to kill themselves by accident is irrelevant, this is a 2 year old. They have no risk analysis capability, they have no sense of danger, that's your job as a parent IMO. Hence I shan't be seeking out some large trees to play under tomorrow given there are 50mph winds.

But you will cycle through busy London roads with a child, nothing wrong but it is a risk a lot of parents wouldn’t take.

Good you were thinking of using a more suitable cargo bike, sounds as though you were using an unsuitable bike with your young child.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Your comments in what is a very sad incident are uncalled for.

[okgo]

tighnamara said:

But you will cycle through busy London roads with a child, nothing wrong but it is a risk a lot of parents wouldn’t take.

Good you were thinking of using a more suitable cargo bike, sounds as though you were using an unsuitable bike with your young child.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Your comments in what is a very sad incident are uncalled for.

Poor attempt from you, but I suppose well done for trying.

There’s no excuse letting your 2 year old end up in a river. That’s a hill I’ll die on.