Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
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Randy Winkman said:
Why is the car in your comparison full?
It makes the car sound better - even with the most optimistic assumptions possible the car still does uses far more space than a bus. I find it a useful technique for back of a fag packet calculations. Use three sets of numbers - the ones I think are realistic, the best case ones for my argument, and the worst case ones for my argument. Very often, all three show the same thing and the conclusion is clear.
Edited by Mr Penguin on Thursday 25th April 14:27
philv said:
S600BSB said:
Why guff Crank? Rail privatisation has been a disaster. This is sensible policy from Labour. Water next please SKS.
'ambition'.Doesn't mean they'll do it.
Slippery buggers.
Interesting. I thought the Toreis said it was a bad idea
sugerbear said:
philv said:
S600BSB said:
Why guff Crank? Rail privatisation has been a disaster. This is sensible policy from Labour. Water next please SKS.
'ambition'.Doesn't mean they'll do it.
Slippery buggers.
Interesting. I thought the Toreis said it was a bad idea
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-rail-nat...
How is Labour planning to improve the customer service on the railway?
The party said that its priority will be to improve services on trains, reducing overcrowding and introduce “adequate wi-fi”.
But the plan published on Thursday does not provide details of how this will be achieved — with only one mention of wi-fi and no specific proposal to improve these services.
How is Labour planning to improve the customer service on the railway?
The party said that its priority will be to improve services on trains, reducing overcrowding and introduce “adequate wi-fi”.
But the plan published on Thursday does not provide details of how this will be achieved — with only one mention of wi-fi and no specific proposal to improve these services.
S600BSB said:
crankedup5 said:
Announcing this guff Labour have once again used the terminology ‘it is our ambition’.
Why guff Crank? Rail privatisation has been a disaster. This is sensible policy from Labour. Water next please SKS. Rail journeys are on a downward trajectory, thanks to WFH expanding. Also the use of the words ‘it’s our ambition’, it’s either a manifesto pledge or it’s guff.
One benefit from a truly national rail company will be a less complicated ticketing system. Not all rail operators will allow carriage on a competitors service, even if they are going to the same place on the same route. There are so many anomalies in the current ticketing system that a root and branch overhaul could see improvements for travellers.
SD.
SD.
crankedup5 said:
S600BSB said:
crankedup5 said:
Announcing this guff Labour have once again used the terminology ‘it is our ambition’.
Why guff Crank? Rail privatisation has been a disaster. This is sensible policy from Labour. Water next please SKS. Rail journeys are on a downward trajectory, thanks to WFH expanding. Also the use of the words ‘it’s our ambition’, it’s either a manifesto pledge or it’s guff.
It’s a bit of an easy win to nationalise as it won’t actually cost that much. When contracts expire they simply won’t be renewed and much of the same management will remain. A bit of rebranding and hey presto, GBR comes into existence. If the government manages it at arms length (in other words keep the DfT a million miles away) and allow people who actually know how to run a railway to run it without too much interference then it could prove to be beneficial for all in the long run.
ROSCOs are a missed opportunity as they are f
king leeches and the chance should have been taken to fk them off once and for all and have a continuous stock renewal strategy in place that secures quality long term jobs at train manufacturers (which are very precarious at the moment) and ends the boom and bust in train manufacturing that’s been a feature for decades. We are actually bloody good at building trains and if we lose that then it ain’t coming back as we’ll just end buying foreign instead.
Nationalising water would be a hell of a lot more expensive and in reality we just need to give the regulator the tools and teeth needed to hold the companies to account. Make the water bosses personally accountable and you’ll soon see less st in our rivers and seas when it’s their houses that’s at risk.
ROSCOs are a missed opportunity as they are f
king leeches and the chance should have been taken to fk them off once and for all and have a continuous stock renewal strategy in place that secures quality long term jobs at train manufacturers (which are very precarious at the moment) and ends the boom and bust in train manufacturing that’s been a feature for decades. We are actually bloody good at building trains and if we lose that then it ain’t coming back as we’ll just end buying foreign instead. Nationalising water would be a hell of a lot more expensive and in reality we just need to give the regulator the tools and teeth needed to hold the companies to account. Make the water bosses personally accountable and you’ll soon see less s
t in our rivers and seas when it’s their houses that’s at risk.Mr Penguin said:
This is how much road space it takes one bus load of people to travel with bikes or cars. We do need public transport to make cities function, even if we are just hoping everyone else uses them and not ourselves.
In the late 80's I used to drive from Fulham to the City. There was a bus strike for a few days and it was announced that cars could use the bus lanes. The traffic flow was amazing. People used the tube and still managed to get to work. No-one I spoke too had a worse commute than normal. Edited by Mr Penguin on Thursday 25th April 12:16
It was notable that the bus drivers didn't strike in London for many, many years after.
valiant said:
It’s a bit of an easy win to nationalise as it won’t actually cost that much. When contracts expire they simply won’t be renewed and much of the same management will remain. A bit of rebranding and hey presto, GBR comes into existence. If the government manages it at arms length (in other words keep the DfT a million miles away) and allow people who actually know how to run a railway to run it without too much interference then it could prove to be beneficial for all in the long run.
ROSCOs are a missed opportunity as they are fking leeches and the chance should have been taken to fk them off once and for all and have a continuous stock renewal strategy in place that secures quality long term jobs at train manufacturers (which are very precarious at the moment) and ends the boom and bust in train manufacturing that’s been a feature for decades. We are actually bloody good at building trains and if we lose that then it ain’t coming back as we’ll just end buying foreign instead.
Nationalising water would be a hell of a lot more expensive and in reality we just need to give the regulator the tools and teeth needed to hold the companies to account. Make the water bosses personally accountable and you’ll soon see less st in our rivers and seas when it’s their houses that’s at risk.
One useful thing they could do is truncate the name; it's British Rail, alright? BR to its friends and enemies. What wROSCOs are a missed opportunity as they are f
king leeches and the chance should have been taken to fk them off once and for all and have a continuous stock renewal strategy in place that secures quality long term jobs at train manufacturers (which are very precarious at the moment) and ends the boom and bust in train manufacturing that’s been a feature for decades. We are actually bloody good at building trains and if we lose that then it ain’t coming back as we’ll just end buying foreign instead. Nationalising water would be a hell of a lot more expensive and in reality we just need to give the regulator the tools and teeth needed to hold the companies to account. Make the water bosses personally accountable and you’ll soon see less s
t in our rivers and seas when it’s their houses that’s at risk.kspangle, who clearly knows less about SEO optimisation than me(which is pretty much fk all), thought that either GBR or Great British Railways would google well? Isn't Derby about to go tits up because the govt are fking nuggets when it comes to railways? hidetheelephants said:
ne useful thing they could do is truncate the name; it's British Rail, alright? BR to its friends and enemies. What wkspangle, who clearly knows less about SEO optimisation than me(which is pretty much fk all), thought that either GBR or Great British Railways would google well? Isn't Derby about to go tits up because the govt are fking nuggets when it comes to railways?
10 trains is all it will take to secure Derby for the next year or two until the HS2 train contract is supposed to kick in.kspangle, who clearly knows less about SEO optimisation than me(which is pretty much fk all), thought that either GBR or Great British Railways would google well? Isn't Derby about to go tits up because the govt are fking nuggets when it comes to railways? The Elizabeth line is crying out for 345s as it's proved to be a massive success and already virtually at capacity and if this useless government terminates HS2 at OOC then an uplift in Elizabeth Line trains will be needed to manage the extra demand.
This is all known about but will take central funding to pay for them or at least to cancel some of TfL's government covid loans so they can put an order in but the DfT won't and is sitting on its hands as it's effectively washed its hands on anything rail related and especially anything that the London mayor is calling for for ideological reasons despite the money going to secure quality manufacturing jobs up North.
Edited by valiant on Thursday 25th April 21:41
S600BSB said:
crankedup5 said:
S600BSB said:
crankedup5 said:
Announcing this guff Labour have once again used the terminology ‘it is our ambition’.
Why guff Crank? Rail privatisation has been a disaster. This is sensible policy from Labour. Water next please SKS. Rail journeys are on a downward trajectory, thanks to WFH expanding. Also the use of the words ‘it’s our ambition’, it’s either a manifesto pledge or it’s guff.
TBH the sell off of our utilities I was against, and I still feel that we, the consumers, were sold down the river.No pun intended.
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