Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

[S600BSB]

bhstewie said:

Definitely not.

Can the Cons really go much lower? Guess we will see.

[119]

S600BSB said:

turbobloke said:

Change is likely but not inevitably for the better, for example check out this claim (any Starmer policy may be subject to a u-turn, obviously)...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/labour...

Starmer’s secret plan for energy prices is terrifying
Labour is about to plunge Britain into a fresh energy price crisis in the name of Net Zero

Lovely.

Telegraph… Trash alert.

Is what they are stating untrue?

[turbobloke]

S600BSB said:

turbobloke said:

Change is likely but not inevitably for the better, for example check out this claim (any Starmer policy may be subject to a u-turn, obviously)...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/labour...

Starmer’s secret plan for energy prices is terrifying
Labour is about to plunge Britain into a fresh energy price crisis in the name of Net Zero

Lovely.

Telegraph… Trash alert.

Shooting the messenger - ad hom fallacy alert.

Article said:

There is no escaping Labour’s dilemma. The party’s Net Zero goals are inordinately expensive. Abandoning the £28 billion public spending target while maintaining the goals just makes everything worse for households and businesses. Sir Keir should now change the goals

They got the £28bn u-turn correct, like the rest when in the above context change will make "everything worse for households and businesses". What the total price to be paid for "not the tories" via Starmer remains to be seen.

Anything sensible to add?

[Seasonal Hero]

turbobloke said:

They got the £28bn u-turn correct, like the rest when in the above context change will make "everything worse for households and businesses". What the total price to be paid for "not the tories" via Starmer remains to be seen.

Anything sensible to add?

Any response to Ashcroft’s hypocrisy?

Your ‘ad-hom fallacy’ is now beyond tedious. Try something new.

[Seasonal Hero]

119 said:

Is what they are stating untrue?

The entire article is based on ‘there is no indication’.

With no manifesto yet published it’s conjecture. Hence it being posted in their ‘Comment’ section.

A Sunday Squirrel. Next.

[turbobloke]

Starmer may yet turn out to be a costly anti-hero. We shall see soon enough.

[Seasonal Hero]

So no comment on Ashcroft?

[Blue62]

turbobloke said:

Starmer may yet turn out to be a costly anti-hero. We shall see soon enough.

Not soon enough. If Sunak and his deplorable party had any sense of putting the country first they would announce the GE now, they’re in a death spiral and so wracked with division and in fighting that they cannot govern effectively.

[Gecko1978]

S600BSB said:

bhstewie said:

Definitely not.

Can the Cons really go much lower? Guess we will see.

The real shame is the libs have not made any progress so 10 years from now it will swing back to blue etc

[119]

Gecko1978 said:

The real shame is the libs have not made any progress so 10 years from now it will swing back to blue etc

Must admit I was thinking/hoping they would finally step up and make some sort of effort with the ultimately opportunity but dare I say, I am very disappoint.

[turbobloke]

119 said:

Gecko1978 said:

The real shame is the libs have not made any progress so 10 years from now it will swing back to blue etc

Must admit I was thinking/hoping they would finally step up and make some sort of effort with the ultimately opportunity but dare I say, I am very disappoint.

The LibDems have been irrelevant for years, a seismic shift is needed. Was it in one or both of the recent by-elections they were placed behind Reform and Greens? Wilderness isn't calling, they're in it.

[anonymoususer]

Keir has not only revived the Labour Party he has added a new expression to the political descriptions.
Patriotic economy

That's his new choice of words and what a great choice of words to use,
Patriotic economy

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-would...

For those of you who don't want to click on the link he says "It’s time for change. My Labour government will be different. We’ll run a patriotic economy where Britain’s interest is centre stage and Britain's hardworking families reap the rewards
Note that Sir Keir doesn't say the next Labour Government he says "My Labour government"
That shows ownership that shows his character and that he will make changes.
It's not often I say this but today I will. I say jolly well done Sir Keir. Well done for taking ownership and showing those lefty scum that you are in charge. And well done for coining a new political terminology that will be talked about for years to come

[isaldiri]

anonymoususer said:

Keir has not only revived the Labour Party he has added a new expression to the political descriptions.
Patriotic economy

That's his new choice of words and what a great choice of words to use,
Patriotic economy

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-would...

For those of you who don't want to click on the link he says "It’s time for change. My Labour government will be different. We’ll run a patriotic economy where Britain’s interest is centre stage and Britain's hardworking families reap the rewards
Note that Sir Keir doesn't say the next Labour Government he says "My Labour government"
That shows ownership that shows his character and that he will make changes.
It's not often I say this but today I will. I say jolly well done Sir Keir. Well done for taking ownership and showing those lefty scum that you are in charge. And well done for coining a new political terminology that will be talked about for years to come

At least he had the wit not to say he would combine nationalism with socialism for that patriotic economy I guess......

[Rufus Stone]

anonymoususer said:

Keir has not only revived the Labour Party he has added a new expression to the political descriptions.
Patriotic economy

That's his new choice of words and what a great choice of words to use,
Patriotic economy

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-would...

For those of you who don't want to click on the link he says "It’s time for change. My Labour government will be different. We’ll run a patriotic economy where Britain’s interest is centre stage and Britain's hardworking families reap the rewards
Note that Sir Keir doesn't say the next Labour Government he says "My Labour government"
That shows ownership that shows his character and that he will make changes.
It's not often I say this but today I will. I say jolly well done Sir Keir. Well done for taking ownership and showing those lefty scum that you are in charge. And well done for coining a new political terminology that will be talked about for years to come

Should appeal to all the brexit voters who feel cheated by the Tories.

[London424]

The Rayner story is going to be interesting because as read I can’t see how fraud of some description hasn’t occurred. Either she’s messed up the house sale or she’s messed up electoral fraud. I can’t see how both things can be true…unless the story is incorrect of course.

[JagLover]

119 said:

S600BSB said:

turbobloke said:

Change is likely but not inevitably for the better, for example check out this claim (any Starmer policy may be subject to a u-turn, obviously)...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/labour...

Starmer’s secret plan for energy prices is terrifying
Labour is about to plunge Britain into a fresh energy price crisis in the name of Net Zero

Lovely.

Telegraph… Trash alert.

Is what they are stating untrue?

Sometimes the complaint seems more about whether something is reported rather than the accuracy of the reporting.

The electorate has thus far been sold a fantasy on "net-zero", that it will be both cheap and generate lots of green jobs. In reality it will be extremely expensive and likely finish off any remaining energy intensive businesses.

This isn't really a dividing line between the two parties though as both are committed to the current path, Sunak's feeble gestures notwithstanding.

[JagLover]

isaldiri said:

anonymoususer said:

Keir has not only revived the Labour Party he has added a new expression to the political descriptions.
Patriotic economy

That's his new choice of words and what a great choice of words to use,
Patriotic economy

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-would...

For those of you who don't want to click on the link he says "It’s time for change. My Labour government will be different. We’ll run a patriotic economy where Britain’s interest is centre stage and Britain's hardworking families reap the rewards
Note that Sir Keir doesn't say the next Labour Government he says "My Labour government"
That shows ownership that shows his character and that he will make changes.
It's not often I say this but today I will. I say jolly well done Sir Keir. Well done for taking ownership and showing those lefty scum that you are in charge. And well done for coining a new political terminology that will be talked about for years to come

At least he had the wit not to say he would combine nationalism with socialism for that patriotic economy I guess......

[Seasonal Hero]

London424 said:

The Rayner story is going to be interesting because as read I can’t see how fraud of some description hasn’t occurred. Either she’s messed up the house sale or she’s messed up electoral fraud. I can’t see how both things can be true…unless the story is incorrect of course.

How? She exercised Right to Buy and then sold the house some years later.

What's the story?

[London424]

Seasonal Hero said:

London424 said:

The Rayner story is going to be interesting because as read I can’t see how fraud of some description hasn’t occurred. Either she’s messed up the house sale or she’s messed up electoral fraud. I can’t see how both things can be true…unless the story is incorrect of course.

How? She exercised Right to Buy and then sold the house some years later.

What's the story?

I thought the issue was with Right to buy you had to pay money back. But on further reading the time was after that criteria. So it just reads that it’s the issues around where she was registered to vote vs where she was actually living.

ETA: reading a bit more it seems that Right to Buy comes with a certain requirements that might be an issue. E.g you have to have lived there for 5 years after you buy it to qualify for the discount.

Edited by London424 on Monday 26th February 09:47

[tangerine_sedge]

turbobloke said:

119 said:

Gecko1978 said:

The real shame is the libs have not made any progress so 10 years from now it will swing back to blue etc

Must admit I was thinking/hoping they would finally step up and make some sort of effort with the ultimately opportunity but dare I say, I am very disappoint.

The LibDems have been irrelevant for years, a seismic shift is needed. Was it in one or both of the recent by-elections they were placed behind Reform and Greens? Wilderness isn't calling, they're in it.

The SNP fared even worse in those by-elections /sarcasm.

The Lib Dems are strong in some parts of the country, and combined with tactical voting will steal some additional seats from the Tories. Something that Reform won't do.