Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
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carlo996 said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: The same way I did at the last General Election and every other General Election I've voted in.
I won't.
You’re just showing how daft you are tbh I won't.
I've voted Conservative at every General Election except the last one where I voted for an independent.
If you don't believe me that's your problem.
There are plenty of people who have historically voted Conservative who feel the same.
W124 said:
Wombat3 said:
Rufus Stone said:
S600BSB said:
Wombat is right in that to overturn a 80 seat majority in a single parliament would be an astonishing achievement - particularly given the state of Labour when SKS took over a leader.
SKS will also need a decent majority himself to allow some very difficult decisions to be enacted; the desperate state of our public services and 14 years of virtually no economic growth means prioritising resources etc will be challenging. But I absolutely believe he is going to do it. Broken Britain certainly needs him to!
2019 wasn't a normal GE though, it was a 'whoever would get brexit done' GE. As a result the Tories got far more than they would otherwise have done.SKS will also need a decent majority himself to allow some very difficult decisions to be enacted; the desperate state of our public services and 14 years of virtually no economic growth means prioritising resources etc will be challenging. But I absolutely believe he is going to do it. Broken Britain certainly needs him to!
However, you also have to throw boundary changes into the mix as well which make the task harder. I.m also not convinced that the red wall will turn red again. That doesn't mean it will stay blue either.
They then ran straight into Covid, with a govt that was utterly not set up to be a technocratic style govt.
in some respects it’s almost ironic and in another it’s the perfect illustration of “events dear boy” in action.
The country was, and still is, crying out for hope. For a govt that offers a vision of the future with a pathway to get there. SKS isn’t that leader, but for the next govt he doesn’t have to, he literally just has to be: not that rudderless lot. I find it very startlingly clear, the controlled, directed nature of the Labour Party since Mandy has come back and played school teacher in their playground.
The country now needs a v dull govt for the next cycle, that will hopefully concentrate on fixing the infrastructure issues revealed by Covid and it’s aftermath. SKS may well be just the type of leader needed for such a govt. I know that is the opposite of Labour types such as Chevron want, and arguably he has a case - maybe now IS the time you lay about with the radical hammer. I strongly suspect though that SKS is not that bloke.
In the end, the outcome of the GE this yr circles back not to SKS having done much/anything to win, but just how wildly incompetent the TP have been at simple, basic politics. And for that they need a period on the sidelines.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:carlo996 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: The same way I did at the last General Election and every other General Election I've voted in.
I won't.
You’re just showing how daft you are tbh I won't.
I've voted Conservative at every General Election except the last one where I voted for an independent.
If you don't believe me that's your problem.
There are plenty of people who have historically voted Conservative who feel the same.
I can’t vote for the Conservatives this time though, but the Labour offering is equally unpalatable. There’s nobody to vote for, other than a meaningless/wasted protest vote.
The poor quality of our MPs is depressingly sad.
chemistry said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:carlo996 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: The same way I did at the last General Election and every other General Election I've voted in.
I won't.
You’re just showing how daft you are tbh I won't.
I've voted Conservative at every General Election except the last one where I voted for an independent.
If you don't believe me that's your problem.
There are plenty of people who have historically voted Conservative who feel the same.
I can’t vote for the Conservatives this time though, but the Labour offering is equally unpalatable. There’s nobody to vote for, other than a meaningless/wasted protest vote.
The poor quality of our MPs is depressingly sad.
Never voted anything but blue but I can’t even recognise this current s
t show as a party that represents decent values. It’s embarrassing how anyone could tick that box now given how the party behaves. I will probably vote Labour this time as our local representative is pretty decent and tends to campaign on local issues very well.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: It isn't my fault that some of you are so tribal and blinkered that you automatically assume that being vocal that the current Government are a complete and utter disgrace must mean voting Labour.
I've voted Conservative at every General Election except the last one where I voted for an independent.
If you don't believe me that's your problem.
There are plenty of people who have historically voted Conservative who feel the same.
I think you're wasting your breath. There's a few 'I'm not Conservative but..........' types on here who are seething that it looks like their beloved party will get a well deserved utter thrashing at the next election.I've voted Conservative at every General Election except the last one where I voted for an independent.
If you don't believe me that's your problem.
There are plenty of people who have historically voted Conservative who feel the same.
You simply cannot reason with anyone who would vote for a pot plant wearing the right colour rosette.
Meanwhile, for those us who care not a jot about tribal politics, and just want a bit of competence. The useless current Conservative government hopefully getting booted into the long grass does not (shock, horror) mean donning a red beret, raising Mao's red book and giving a bit of spit and polish to the Sir Kier portrait.
We know, in all likelihood, Labour will not make a jot of difference and are useless. Another Conservative term would deliver no improvements with the current set of moppets in charge so no vote there. Lib Dems, do they even exist any more.
Which is why the like of me will be either voting independent or drawing a comedy set of genitals on the ballot.
chemistry said:
I have a lot of sympathy for this. I’ve voted for various parties in the past, although mostly Conservative.
I can’t vote for the Conservatives this time though, but the Labour offering is equally unpalatable. There’s nobody to vote for, other than a meaningless/wasted protest vote.
The poor quality of our MPs is depressingly sad.
I feel sorry for some of the decent hard working constituency MPs who get tarred with the same brush because they're tainted by Johnson then Truss then Sunak or Corbyn for Labour.I can’t vote for the Conservatives this time though, but the Labour offering is equally unpalatable. There’s nobody to vote for, other than a meaningless/wasted protest vote.
The poor quality of our MPs is depressingly sad.
That said our own MP is one of the toadying arse licking types who will simply never lose his seat so I get to vote for an independent in the full knowledge it makes absolutely no difference here.
If we had a presidential style system where I was forced to vote for Starmer or Sunak I'd vote for Starmer all day long.
Unfortunately he's inherited a very poisonous legacy and unpicking it will take time.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/s...
First the St George's Cross and now the Union flag itself is associated with the far right.
Having convinced themselves that Labour will be in power by the end of the year the fringe elements are starting to flex their muscles. I predict that the Labour cabinet on election will be completely different from the cabinet one year later.
First the St George's Cross and now the Union flag itself is associated with the far right.
Having convinced themselves that Labour will be in power by the end of the year the fringe elements are starting to flex their muscles. I predict that the Labour cabinet on election will be completely different from the cabinet one year later.
272BHP said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/s...
First the St George's Cross and now the Union flag itself is associated with the far right.
Having convinced themselves that Labour will be in power by the end of the year the fringe elements are starting to flex their muscles. I predict that the Labour cabinet on election will be completely different from the cabinet one year later.
Read that early this AM; I can feel for Starmer, he must want to shake these people whilst shouting "2019! 2019!! Is your memory that f*&£ing short!"First the St George's Cross and now the Union flag itself is associated with the far right.
Having convinced themselves that Labour will be in power by the end of the year the fringe elements are starting to flex their muscles. I predict that the Labour cabinet on election will be completely different from the cabinet one year later.
AmyRichardson said:
272BHP said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/s...
First the St George's Cross and now the Union flag itself is associated with the far right.
Having convinced themselves that Labour will be in power by the end of the year the fringe elements are starting to flex their muscles. I predict that the Labour cabinet on election will be completely different from the cabinet one year later.
Read that early this AM; I can feel for Starmer, he must want to shake these people whilst shouting "2019! 2019!! Is your memory that f*&£ing short!"First the St George's Cross and now the Union flag itself is associated with the far right.
Having convinced themselves that Labour will be in power by the end of the year the fringe elements are starting to flex their muscles. I predict that the Labour cabinet on election will be completely different from the cabinet one year later.
And to think this lot might be in power soon.
AmyRichardson said:
272BHP said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/s...
First the St George's Cross and now the Union flag itself is associated with the far right.
Having convinced themselves that Labour will be in power by the end of the year the fringe elements are starting to flex their muscles. I predict that the Labour cabinet on election will be completely different from the cabinet one year later.
Read that early this AM; I can feel for Starmer, he must want to shake these people whilst shouting "2019! 2019!! Is your memory that f*&£ing short!"First the St George's Cross and now the Union flag itself is associated with the far right.
Having convinced themselves that Labour will be in power by the end of the year the fringe elements are starting to flex their muscles. I predict that the Labour cabinet on election will be completely different from the cabinet one year later.
AmyRichardson said:
Read that early this AM; I can feel for Starmer, he must want to shake these people whilst shouting "2019! 2019!! Is your memory that f*&£ing short!"
Pretty much this.That said the last time I saw a union jack it was hung from a bridge over a dual carriageway with "Britain First" written all over it.
I think it's a reasonable article if you look past the headline and read and think about some of the points made.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Pretty much this.
That said the last time I saw a union jack it was hung from a bridge over a dual carriageway with "Britain First" written all over it.
I think it's a reasonable article if you look past the headline and read and think about some of the points made.
AgreeThat said the last time I saw a union jack it was hung from a bridge over a dual carriageway with "Britain First" written all over it.
I think it's a reasonable article if you look past the headline and read and think about some of the points made.
Wombat3 said:
Doesn't tell you anything that we didn't already know about large chunks of the Labour movement. Nothing new to see either & why is anyone surprised by this?
As always people have short memories, but Leopards don't change their spots.
You certainly seem the type to have a flag in your garden Wombat. As always people have short memories, but Leopards don't change their spots.
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